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Welcome to the end of college football as we know it

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Re: Welcome to the end of college football as we know it

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I was just wondering the other day, are any of the top college athletes majoring in something demanding (in a way that it requires one to spend countless of hours learning new mental models) like CS or physics? As a European, my exposure to college sports is pretty limited, but I've never seen a major like that listed.

In Division 1, it's rare but happens. Rather an exception. In Division 3, check out MIT, Caltech, or CMU teams. For these athletics is not a priority.

Re: Welcome to the end of college football as we know it

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I was just wondering the other day, are any of the top college athletes majoring in something demanding (in a way that it requires one to spend countless of hours learning new mental models) like CS or physics? As a European, my exposure to college sports is pretty limited, but I've never seen a major like that listed.

If you're interested you could look to the lists of Rhodes Scholar's worldwide- the entry qualification (before selection for award) is to be triple top tier - reputable sporting positon and good academic marks and reputable public facing involvement.

Typically, in Australia say, an annual Rhodes Scholar might be a captain in a state cricket team and a viola player in the state orchestra and studying one of the STEM lines.

I could point to a Physics Prof who occassionally lectures at the Royal Institute with good sports and band camp cred from their youth .. or another teaching music in the US at a prestiguous school - but that starts to pinpoint my origins :)

https://www.rhodeshouse.ox.ac.uk/scholarships/the-rhodes-sch...

Re: Welcome to the end of college football as we know it

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post #37

I was just wondering the other day, are any of the top college athletes majoring in something demanding (in a way that it requires one to spend countless of hours learning new mental models) like CS or physics? As a European, my exposure to college sports is pretty limited, but I've never seen a major like that listed.

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Re: Welcome to the end of college football as we know it

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I was just wondering the other day, are any of the top college athletes majoring in something demanding (in a way that it requires one to spend countless of hours learning new mental models) like CS or physics? As a European, my exposure to college sports is pretty limited, but I've never seen a major like that listed.

If you're interested you could look to the lists of Rhodes Scholar's worldwide- the entry qualification (before selection for award) is to be triple top tier - reputable sporting positon and good academic marks and reputable public facing involvement. Typically, in Australia say, an annual Rhodes Scholar might be a captain in a state cricket team and a viola player in the state orchestra and studying one of the STEM…

That's interesting. I think it's usually pretty siloed so that people in sports, music or academia/tech are so focused mastering their own field and hang out with likeminded people. Maybe you get combination of two, but three sounds pretty uncommon.

Re: Welcome to the end of college football as we know it

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Are those sports accessible to anyone in the university who want to join? My knowledge is only founded by US movies/series and this is what what I get out of it is: - male good enough at sport: can participate in sport - good looking female: can participate in cheers/pompom girls - male not good enough /female not in beauty standard: can’t participate, go to the free urban basketball field. In the EU countries I know…

Cheer is a pathway to gymnastics in the US for going on 30 years; it's not been a pom pom sport for a VERY long time.

Thanks, I edited my post.

Re: Welcome to the end of college football as we know it

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If you're interested you could look to the lists of Rhodes Scholar's worldwide- the entry qualification (before selection for award) is to be triple top tier - reputable sporting positon and good academic marks and reputable public facing involvement. Typically, in Australia say, an annual Rhodes Scholar might be a captain in a state cricket team and a viola player in the state orchestra and studying one of the STEM…

That's interesting. I think it's usually pretty siloed so that people in sports, music or academia/tech are so focused mastering their own field and hang out with likeminded people. Maybe you get combination of two, but three sounds pretty uncommon.

It's mostly in former British Empire territories, but rather famously US POTUS Bill Clinto got a Rhodes (IIRC).

Cecil Rhodes kicked it off on the back of mega mineral wealth extracted from South Africa (and surrounds, back in the day), and he wanted to support well rounded students into the Oxbridge education streams to mix with future UK diplomats, business leaders, politicans to expand the global web of interconnect ...

( fill in your own dots )

It's less about being the best athlete | best musician | best mathematician .. but very much about being up there with them.

There's more than you might think.

eg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myron_Rolle

Picked up in the US 2010 NFL Draft, a football playing Bahamian-American neurosurgeon.

Short list of a few notables: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rhodes_Scholars

Full database: https://www.rhodeshouse.ox.ac.uk/scholars-alumni/rhodes-scho...

Re: Welcome to the end of college football as we know it

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College football and basketball seem mainly to function as publicity for the schools and, when the teams are winning, help them to get the alumni to donate more. And serve as entertainment for the non athlete students. It's profoundly weird and completely unrelated to the academic functions of the university. Lots of people confuse schools with good sports teams for schools with strong academics.

Also fun random fact, but at a lot of major US public universities, the highest paid employee would be the men's football or basketball coach.

The highest paid public servant in almost every US state, apparently:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/lnir2v/oc_the_high...

Re: Welcome to the end of college football as we know it

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Are those sports accessible to anyone in the university who want to join? My knowledge is only founded by US movies/series and this is what what I get out of it is: - male good enough at sport: can participate in sport - good looking female: can participate in cheers/pompom girls - male not good enough /female not in beauty standard: can’t participate, go to the free urban basketball field. In the EU countries I know…

Cheer is a pathway to gymnastics in the US for going on 30 years; it's not been a pom pom sport for a VERY long time.

Aren't college students too old? There hasn't been a 20-year old Olympic all-round gymnastics champion since 1972, they've all been 14-19.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnastics_all-around_champion...

Re: Welcome to the end of college football as we know it

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College athletics is a pretty good system for promoting lesser-followed sports that would have difficulty maintaining an organized league -- team volleyball, swimming, field hockey, rowing, etc -- because it provides infrastructure and funding that would unlikely be available if reliant on revenue. On the other hand, "amateur" leagues for popular sports (football, basketball) being associated with colleges is extreme…

Are those sports accessible to anyone in the university who want to join? My knowledge is only founded by US movies/series and this is what what I get out of it is: - male good enough at sport: can participate in sport - good looking female: can participate in cheers/pompom girls - male not good enough /female not in beauty standard: can’t participate, go to the free urban basketball field. In the EU countries I know…

I've gathered that the situation in every country revolves around the available facilities/venues for sport, which is downstream of budgets and financing: in the US the majority of the divergence starts around high school level, with better-funded districts and private schools sometimes boasting rather spectacular facilities; since every US state sets their own education policies, there can be huge variance in what's available even going between different parts of California, let alone going to another state.

At university level the "new gym" or "new stadium" is a common method of patronage, creating a snowball effect of a campus having really nice facilities and a large student population, so not only can they host athletics for the regular student body, they can also field an elite team by putting a little more into the scholarships and coaching budget.

But the way in which this differs from other places is that access is often impacted by US urban sprawl conditions. In Japan, for example, middle school and high school athletes will use all the major urban venues, just as is depicted in manga and anime, because it's reasonable to get there by transit. So sports are supported by better utilization of the facilities across the entire local population. In contrast the US tends to have talent clustering in specialized cities: for example, all the serious tennis players go to Florida at some point. And that means there's a very substantial jump in pressure and selectivity when you go into the biggest competitive sports, and just about everyone at NCAA Division I level is intending to - or their parents groomed them to - go pro, and had it in mind from long before they got the scholarship. They allocate their day around the sport, and can't have an ordinary life. But there are always options to participate in lower divisions, intramural or other leagues with lower stakes as well, and those usually have to scrape around for budget, but can sometimes draft in the wind of an elite program.

Re: Welcome to the end of college football as we know it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

College football and basketball seem mainly to function as publicity for the schools and, when the teams are winning, help them to get the alumni to donate more. And serve as entertainment for the non athlete students. It's profoundly weird and completely unrelated to the academic functions of the university. Lots of people confuse schools with good sports teams for schools with strong academics.

Also fun random fact, but at a lot of major US public universities, the highest paid employee would be the men's football or basketball coach.

not sure I'd call it fun.
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