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Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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trunnell wrote: post #336

Red flags: 1) Price seems too low for unlimited LLM usage and there's no monthly fee... so maybe you are the product? 2) Website has no information on the people behind this. 3) In the keynote, the demo of logging into to other services like Spotify appears to just be stealing the auth tokens from the laptop and shipping them to the R1 device. Not a good sign. 4) The founder's voice-over insists that "we value privac…

> 3) In the keynote, the demo of logging into to other services like Spotify appears to just be stealing the auth tokens from the laptop and shipping them to the R1 device. Not a good sign.

I don't think the tokens are getting transferred to the device. It seems everything happens on the cloud, so the tokens must have been stored on the cloud too.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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account_created wrote: post #391
trunnell wrote: post #336

Red flags: 1) Price seems too low for unlimited LLM usage and there's no monthly fee... so maybe you are the product? 2) Website has no information on the people behind this. 3) In the keynote, the demo of logging into to other services like Spotify appears to just be stealing the auth tokens from the laptop and shipping them to the R1 device. Not a good sign. 4) The founder's voice-over insists that "we value privac…

> 3) In the keynote, the demo of logging into to other services like Spotify appears to just be stealing the auth tokens from the laptop and shipping them to the R1 device. Not a good sign. I don't think the tokens are getting transferred to the device. It seems everything happens on the cloud, so the tokens must have been stored on the cloud too.

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Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by fastball »

account_created wrote: post #391
trunnell wrote: post #336

Red flags: 1) Price seems too low for unlimited LLM usage and there's no monthly fee... so maybe you are the product? 2) Website has no information on the people behind this. 3) In the keynote, the demo of logging into to other services like Spotify appears to just be stealing the auth tokens from the laptop and shipping them to the R1 device. Not a good sign. 4) The founder's voice-over insists that "we value privac…

> 3) In the keynote, the demo of logging into to other services like Spotify appears to just be stealing the auth tokens from the laptop and shipping them to the R1 device. Not a good sign. I don't think the tokens are getting transferred to the device. It seems everything happens on the cloud, so the tokens must have been stored on the cloud too.

I think the tokens are stored on device. I think what is happening is that this is effectively an Android device (or web browser) that you are somewhat normally logging into apps on. Then the LAM (which is running on device) is interacting with those authenticated apps behind the scenes, and only showing you the slick black screen with the rabbit and results on it.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by vnjxk »

FireInsight wrote: post #378
amne wrote: post #374

I don't think he touched the scroll wheel in the keynote. Why is it there? What does it do? I found it awkward he scrolled by touching the screen across the damn scroll wheel. Just use it. At least in the keynote. And then there are so many questions about the hardware capabilities of this device: - where is the inference running? I don't believe it's on the device. And if it's in the cloud then why make the claim it…

From > rabbit OS operates apps on our secured cloud, so you don’t have to. Log into the apps you’d like rabbit to use on your system through the rabbit hole to relay control. You only need to do this once per app. it seems that this device doesn't run anything locally, everything is in the cloud.

It would be far easier to do the same things with an app and ask for a fraction of the price

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by carlhung »

nabakin wrote: post #353
jmull wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know the LLM is going to do what you confirmed? There's a fundamental tension here: either you limit the LLM to a set of fixed actions that a user can individually understand and confirm. Or you let it figure out what to do and how to do it given a higher-level goal. In the first case, it's limited and not really better than a well-designed site or app. In the second it's powerful but can run amok. E.g., d…

The whole system isn't an LLM. At the point they are asking for confirmation, they've already parsed the required information and handed it off to normal code. It's not going to change again. Ultimately, an LLM only has the capability to take a string as input and output another string. Any other functionality (Uber, search, travel, etc) has to be manually programmed in via APIs. For the foreseeable future, a fixed s…

I also don't understand why they call it LLM. it isn't.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by yreg »

Calamityjanitor wrote: post #238

This is exactly what Siri wanted to be. Compare with the original Siri keynote https://vimeo.com/5424527 I can't find the exact ~2010 article from before being bought by Apple. I remember in an interview they were talking about making a web agent that could operate and perform tasks on any website, to avoid being locked out by APIs.

I'm very interested in what Apple does with LLMs on iDevices.

They have the right hardware for it and they have all the motivation, with their focus on on-device processing. OTOH they also have a pretty bad history with their AI assistant.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by yreg »

andybak wrote: post #299
dvt wrote: post #287

I feel like the R1 is getting a lot of weird hate here on HN. I get it, it's a bit pretentious and wants to be very Apple-like, yadda yadda. Probably not that much value generation, it's overpriced, and no one wants to carry another thing in their pocket. And yes, the company will likely go bankrupt (or pivot into something less exciting). It's also all in the cloud (no local inference) so it doesn't really even "do"…

The strangest thing about AI is that a lot of it's value comes from the fact that it's better at using the tools that we designed for humans than we are. It's essentially an admission of failure. I'm not sure what conclusions to draw from this observation however.

> It's essentially an admission of failure.

I think that was always the dream, even in early 20th century sci-fi. It's not a failure, it is a success.

However, in my opinion it's interesting that the dreamers underestimated the difficulty of robotics. Almost everyone thought that the manual jobs will be the first ones to be replaced. Right now it seems the other way around.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by xcdzvyn »

trunnell wrote: post #336

Red flags: 1) Price seems too low for unlimited LLM usage and there's no monthly fee... so maybe you are the product? 2) Website has no information on the people behind this. 3) In the keynote, the demo of logging into to other services like Spotify appears to just be stealing the auth tokens from the laptop and shipping them to the R1 device. Not a good sign. 4) The founder's voice-over insists that "we value privac…

> 3) In the keynote, the demo of logging into to other services like Spotify appears to just be stealing the auth tokens from the laptop and shipping them to the R1 device. Not a good sign.

It just looks like OAuth to me?

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