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The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Do teens have much to look forward to? Climate change is already causing severe weather events, which are very likely to ramp quickly. Careers are a thing of the past, and it seems like no matter how hard you work you'll never "get ahead" and will be lucky not to spend your life living paycheck to paycheck. Life expectancy has gone down, markedly. Debt is up. New wars.

If small regressions in broad metrics are causing mental illness, that sounds like a social media problem to me.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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People blame social media, but they never ask why social media is like that. I think that the cultural changes that lead to that have been running for far more time than people give credit for, and that social media is just the proverbial canary on the mine that made things explicit. Those changes are multi-generational changes, and more probably there are a multitude of factors behind it. Family structure, economy f…

More likely the libertine social movements of the sixties leading to a breakdown of social standards and family life.

While it may be taboo to say so, I believe this is a strong factor. Most changes in life have tradeoffs, winners and losers. Divorce may be great for the general happiness of the adults involved, but despite all boomer rationalizations in the line "I can raise happy kids if I am not absolutely happy", it generally sucks for kids.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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I think all the social media stuff is missing the mark. It's 100% bad but it's just trash filling the hole society is making. Looking top down at the problem, humans need self actualization or propose to be happy. Originally we evolved to live in medium sized social groups that worked together to ensure their survival, we took care of each other and that was what drove our purpose, or rather why that need evolved, it…

> I think all the social media stuff is missing the mark. I think phones may well be responsible. Before smartphones, people regularly experienced true downtime - unstructured moments with nothing to do except be in your surroundings, feel your own boredom, experience your thoughts. Now, the moment our attention isn’t occupied by something external, we reach for our phones to have something to fill the silence. I bel…

>> Before smartphones, people regularly experienced true downtime

Was there not a similar argument made as newspapers became commonplace? Before that the same argument had been made for books but newspapers were on another level - they were effectively limitless drugs, affordable and every single day a new one was available. Instead of talking, laughing and joking with the other workers waiting at the bus stop or in the canteen or whatever, instead you had a sea of silent men reading newspapers.

I’m not convinced phones are without potential harm, but I’m hesitant to get too worked up about them vs. What’s gone before.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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People blame social media, but they never ask why social media is like that. I think that the cultural changes that lead to that have been running for far more time than people give credit for, and that social media is just the proverbial canary on the mine that made things explicit. Those changes are multi-generational changes, and more probably there are a multitude of factors behind it. Family structure, economy f…

No, what you are saying is factually wrong. Now if you are lying or just wrong would depend on how much of your income depends on it. The culprit is manipulated mass media, the current version of it is social media so before mark Zuckerberg the culprit was television owners, not whatever excuse you are trying to find to not blame media.

Social sciences and psychology are not physics or math. Your extreme confidence in your preferred explanation is not warranted by the current record of social and psychological sciences.

You may well be right, I concede that I also believe that mass media is at least part of the explanation, but I don't think we should act so certain and refuse the debate. The current state of psychology and social sciences don't warrant by now this extreme level of confidence in a handful of studies that seems to corroborate this hypothesis.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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My theory is it is effect of ever faster economic growth across the world. Now it has given great many benefits to great many people. Negative effects so far discussed are only in term of destruction of ecology, depletion of natural resources, pollution etc. To me this growth has created a sense of anxiety in all teens and older. Now the societal structures, jobs, careers, education, medicine etc do not change over m…

Is it about the growth itself though? Or rather the growth as seen through social media? You can't be sad about being left behind if you don't know you are being left behind or at least of you are not pestered daily about it by the algorithm that needs to trigger you into engagement.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree. Folks in the 60’s thru 80’s expected global nuclear annihilation with some probability.

I was taught about Nuclear annihilation as well as global warming in the 80s. Fast forward to today and both are still on the table. Climate catastrophes make geopolitical conflict more likely.

I thought the same with all these snide comments, we still have the threat of nuclear war at almost any minute. It never went away, why people think it has? I have no idea.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Since my youth climate change has been A wildly depressing concept to grapple with. Environment destruction period. I mean being depressed is one thing, living in a world that's literally cooking at the same time just takes it up a whole other level. I guess in the past, no matter how bad things got for you on a personal level, you could kind of count on the world being there if you got through it, now it's sort of 5…

Disagree. Folks in the 60’s thru 80’s expected global nuclear annihilation with some probability.

Why do you think nuclear annihilation is off the table sorry? Do we not have nuclear weapons anymore?

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Few deny that a drinking age is necessary. We also need a smart phone age. It's quite obvious that many teens are addicted to their phones and the mostly useless content they consume there.

I deny a drinking age is necessary. From what it sounds like, the kids should be out there drinking more!

Alcohol is a depressant. It won't impove anybody's mental health.
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