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Translating blog posts with GPT-4, or: on hope and fear

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Re: Translating blog posts with GPT-4, or: on hope and fear

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I still think (from limited testing with german->french and vice-versa) that DeepL gives better results than gpt4.

Try telling GPT-4 that the translation is bad, and ask it to proofread the result for a more natural French

You can also ask it to rewrite the result to be more "idiomatic", formal, less formal, whatever...

Re: Translating blog posts with GPT-4, or: on hope and fear

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I still think (from limited testing with german->french and vice-versa) that DeepL gives better results than gpt4.

Try telling GPT-4 that the translation is bad, and ask it to proofread the result for a more natural French

I actually did a bit of research and found this prompt: Please translate the user message from {src} to {tgt}. Make the translation sound as natural as possible.

This actually gives much better results, and now I think I actually changed my mind and like GPT4 better.

Re: Translating blog posts with GPT-4, or: on hope and fear

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try telling GPT-4 that the translation is bad, and ask it to proofread the result for a more natural French

I actually did a bit of research and found this prompt: Please translate the user message from {src} to {tgt}. Make the translation sound as natural as possible. This actually gives much better results, and now I think I actually changed my mind and like GPT4 better.

I’ve found telling it to pay attention to nuance helps as well.

Re: Translating blog posts with GPT-4, or: on hope and fear

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you live in an Anglophone country you already don't need to do so, although there will probably be cultural value to do so indefinitely. I love learning languages but ultimately it's for fun and to make friends and it's such a time commitment...

Its not the 'cultural value', but the learning value. Natively understanding another language gives you access to a whole different information sphere. With different taboos and focuses. So topics completely undiscussable or unpolite in one language, is perfectly analyzed in another language. I've noticed the level of censorship significantly increasing on dominant English platforms (Say youtube), which is harder to…

so ... learn Japanese or Chinese?

Re: Translating blog posts with GPT-4, or: on hope and fear

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> It shocks me that I can hear my voice when reading the translation. For me, this phenomenon with Copilot and a decade old codebase where I was the only contributor was unlike anything I'd experienced. It's one thing to see other people's thoughts reshaped by AI, but when it's your own thinking it's a very eerie feeling. Maybe only happens 10-15% of the time, but when it does it's uncanny.

For me the freakish thing was having GPT-4 complete the prefix of a script, which was mostly a doc-comment and the inputs, written in my style. The completed body of the script was also in my style, even though I had not given GPT any actual "code" in the prompt. It somehow had learned that people that write the preamble "just so" also write script logic in a certain specific way, and it could emulate that.

One of the bigger difficulties with coming to terms with LLMs is that we are either far simpler and easy to model than we once thought, or LLMs are vastly more complex than we comprehend. I am not sure I like either.

Re: Translating blog posts with GPT-4, or: on hope and fear

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It's insane to me much how much better GPT-4 is than Papago at Korean, and Papago was the gold standard for Korean translation for quite some time. It also performs much better than DeepL in Korean.

I think part of the explanation is that gpt4 is much more expensive than papago

Re: Translating blog posts with GPT-4, or: on hope and fear

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I agree with Antirez on the fear: I call this the "Google Maps effect", the more you use Google Maps, the less you learn about city streets, etc. By the way, I am Italian too; I lived in the US (SF) for ~10 years, and I speak (I think) a pretty good English. More than 20 years ago I wrote a novel, Nonovvio, in Italian. A couple of months ago I decided to translate it to English, using GPT-4. Here you can find both th…

My parents bought me a GPS unit when I first moved away. While using it was convenient, I discovered that I did not actually learn to orient myself with respect to that city. It wasn't until my GPS unit was stolen and I had to go at it on my own that my mental map "snapped" into place.

That is one reason why I'm hesitant to use LLMs to the extent that so many have. If we don't use certain skills, we lose them. I learned this the hard way with French. In my teens, I was conversant in the language thanks to years of high school French and immersion. But, I didn't touch French again until my late thirties, and I forgot most of it. It hasn't been until recently that my French has surpassed the level I was at with it in my teens.

Re: Translating blog posts with GPT-4, or: on hope and fear

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I was recently in Fiji - of note, Google Translate does not support Fijian; however GPT-4 did a lovely job of it. GenAI is going to be transformative for low-resource languages - both making their content available to a global audience (outbound) as well as helping those that only know a rare language have access to content in all.

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Re: Translating blog posts with GPT-4, or: on hope and fear

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I was recently in Fiji - of note, Google Translate does not support Fijian; however GPT-4 did a lovely job of it. GenAI is going to be transformative for low-resource languages - both making their content available to a global audience (outbound) as well as helping those that only know a rare language have access to content in all.

Also probably going to speed up language extinction :(

Hah! I'm not sure about this. It could, but it also could help with language preservation.

I was quite surprised when GPT-4 was able to talk in Lojban to me. Somehow, I doubt it was intentionally trained to speak Lojban - that's a pretty niche conlang. So, I guess, it possibly picked some on its own, just from the books and dictionaries that were fed to it?

And to my amusement, it said that it doesn't speak Lojban, but can talk in the languages from my custom instructions... to my very limited understanding, all in mostly correct Lojban (except that it used "glico" ["English" in the sense of culture] instead of "glibau" ["English" in the sense of language]). Maybe it doesn't speak it well, but certainly does much better than I.

Re: Translating blog posts with GPT-4, or: on hope and fear

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I did a very quick trial of this with a post I did in English. I don't speak Spanish so am not the best judge for sure but when I translated it to Spanish then back to English it was nearly flawless. Much better, in this same manner, than Google Translate.

(nitpick but: note that machine round-tripping technically only verifies enough is preserved to restore the original form, not that the intermediate form is edible frozen)
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