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The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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My theory is it is effect of ever faster economic growth across the world. Now it has given great many benefits to great many people. Negative effects so far discussed are only in term of destruction of ecology, depletion of natural resources, pollution etc. To me this growth has created a sense of anxiety in all teens and older. Now the societal structures, jobs, careers, education, medicine etc do not change over m…

Was this predicted in Future Shock?

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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I’m not a parent nor am I a teen so take my comments with a grain of salt. The one thing that has consistently jumped out to me on this topic is how quickly people seem to jump to convenient answers. Of course you can’t ignore the rise of social media since 2010, but what about the level of control, structure, and surveillance that most young people have been subjected to over the same arc of time? That gets no atten…

Kids have always been very controlled in places like Asia way before the last decade or two. That’s not it.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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People blame social media, but they never ask why social media is like that. I think that the cultural changes that lead to that have been running for far more time than people give credit for, and that social media is just the proverbial canary on the mine that made things explicit. Those changes are multi-generational changes, and more probably there are a multitude of factors behind it. Family structure, economy f…

Social media is like that because people are like that. The only way you’re changing based human instincts is through punishments like we’ve done in real life or gatekeeping of information.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a kid changes behavior because of a parent watching then that kid absolutely needs watching. It's still free roaming because the kid is 100% in charge of where they will go. That's the part that matters, not that someone can tell where they are.

I think this applies to kids just as well as adults: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effect But what scares me more is how this trend has the potential to normalize surveillance in general. It's not uncommon to for people to treat their employer or the government as a surrogate parent. So why wouldn't kids raised in a digital surveillance family accept a digital surveillance state?

elf on the shelf is a frighteningly common indoctrination to a life of surveillance

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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I’m not a parent nor am I a teen so take my comments with a grain of salt. The one thing that has consistently jumped out to me on this topic is how quickly people seem to jump to convenient answers. Of course you can’t ignore the rise of social media since 2010, but what about the level of control, structure, and surveillance that most young people have been subjected to over the same arc of time? That gets no atten…

> what about the level of control, structure, and surveillance that most young people have been subjected to over the same arc of time None of those things changed dramatically in the 2010-2020 time frame. > That gets no attention, possibly because it’s an inconvenient truth for a lot of parents who prefer it that way. It gets discussed on the linked substack constantly.

> > what about the level of control, structure, and surveillance that most young people have been subjected to over the same arc of time

> None of those things changed dramatically in the 2010-2020 time frame.

I disagree. Cell phones come to mind as a major enabler here.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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I’m not a parent nor am I a teen so take my comments with a grain of salt. The one thing that has consistently jumped out to me on this topic is how quickly people seem to jump to convenient answers. Of course you can’t ignore the rise of social media since 2010, but what about the level of control, structure, and surveillance that most young people have been subjected to over the same arc of time? That gets no atten…

Kids need more time away from other kids. They're spending too much time in the insane asylum with the other inmates. This leads to bullying, gossiping, comparing themselves against one another. Social media made it worse. Kids at home on the farm, reading books, exploring nature - that was healthy. Now they're addicted to algorithmic peer pressure before their brains can even adjust to filtering it out.

there are insufficient farms to offer that to all kids. At least social media levels the playing field somewhat, it does need improvement though.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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My theory is it is effect of ever faster economic growth across the world. Now it has given great many benefits to great many people. Negative effects so far discussed are only in term of destruction of ecology, depletion of natural resources, pollution etc. To me this growth has created a sense of anxiety in all teens and older. Now the societal structures, jobs, careers, education, medicine etc do not change over m…

That theory can't be correct. The rate of world GDP growth hasn't increased significantly.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/WLD/world/gdp-growth-r...

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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People blame social media, but they never ask why social media is like that. I think that the cultural changes that lead to that have been running for far more time than people give credit for, and that social media is just the proverbial canary on the mine that made things explicit. Those changes are multi-generational changes, and more probably there are a multitude of factors behind it. Family structure, economy f…

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You seem to have formed your conclusion first.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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post #59

My theory is it is effect of ever faster economic growth across the world. Now it has given great many benefits to great many people. Negative effects so far discussed are only in term of destruction of ecology, depletion of natural resources, pollution etc. To me this growth has created a sense of anxiety in all teens and older. Now the societal structures, jobs, careers, education, medicine etc do not change over m…

Was this predicted in Future Shock?

Sorry, I haven't read it. Seems like I should soon.
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