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Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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This is never going to work for me because I don’t want to talk to my computer. When I’m in public my voice is noise pollution at best and is telling everyone around me what I’m doing at worst.

Call me weird but I don’t want everyone around me essentially hearing every thought I’m looking up in real time. Feels creepy.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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If Siri worked like this, it would have fulfilled its intended purpose.

It's a bit hard to imagine this doesn't get eaten by Siri and the like. The main issue with bots like Siri is they are very stupid. But w/ ChatGPT, the tech is now available to fix that.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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I feel like the R1 is getting a lot of weird hate here on HN. I get it, it's a bit pretentious and wants to be very Apple-like, yadda yadda. Probably not that much value generation, it's overpriced, and no one wants to carry another thing in their pocket. And yes, the company will likely go bankrupt (or pivot into something less exciting). It's also all in the cloud (no local inference) so it doesn't really even "do"…

I legitimately despise the thing.

Based on the keynote or something else?

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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The hardware device itself is a bit of a red herring. It's really a server-side LLM that is trained to use software on your behalf, presumably against server-side Android/Chrome VMs that you authenticate to various apps/services with OAuth. At first it seems a bit like a kludge, but I don't really see any other way to create the dream sci-fi robot assistant. It has to be able to do things as you, and it would be impo…

Put this way, $199 seems overpriced!

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oculus? I guess it’s been over a decade already

Founded July 2012. And while the company was successful in the sense that it got an exit its product isn't exactly doing too well.

I would argue it is. I've got a Quest 3 sitting next to me and I think it's great.

I can't speak for the deranged expectations, hype cycles and back-lashes over the last 5 years. And I think Meta's R+D budget is pretty hard to justify. But I don't think that reflects on their current product range (which could have been matched with a much smaller budget - and to some degree has been)

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Why does this have to be a competing device? It can do it all on a web page. For that matter put it all in a watch and lose the smartphone.

In case I'm not making sense, imagine if OpenAI made an iOS/Android app with subscription, what chance does a new piece of hardware have to compete against that low-friction install base?

Only after getting the users should smartphones be replaced with a bespoke device. The only need for doing the device first is if the service is effectively commoditized so need to differentiate somehow.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Two things in the keynote that seem faked: 1. at 13:13 there's a demo ordering a ride 'to home', then the user requests a car change to fit six people, and what's shown as a seamless switch from UberX to UberXL also updates the destination from the home address to LAX airport. 2. at 14:05 the device confirms and recites a pizza order, but the screen displays "chesse" with a typo while the voice reads out "cheese", so…

Right after you stopped watching, he books an entire vacation - flights, hotel, car rental, activities - and says he is given multiple options to choose from but shows none of the options, just an itinerary that he quickly scrolls through.

The idea that anyone is going to book a vacation this way is ridiculous. Vacations take extensive thought. There’s no way a voice interface would work for this even if it was the Star Trek computer.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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This is pretty much what everyone saw coming when LLM became a reality: that is, eliminating the usual human-machine interface because now the machine can understand what we say and instructing it through keypresses and clicks becomes unnecessary. In a few years everyone will carry a device like this one, and "call Jim, the one I met the other day, not my brother" or "start writing an email to all my associates" etc.…

> In a few years everyone will carry a device like this one, and ... Yes, but that device is a smartphone. I can't see a future in which standalone devices that are simply ChatGPT API shells are actually viable, unless they add some significant capabilities that a phone app or built-in phone assistant doesn't have.

A smartphone is still too difficult to use and confusing for many people. There is a large market of users that would benefit from AI tools if it can be packaged in a user-friendly way. This is the first device I've seen that seems to succeed at this, if their keynote can be trusted.

Not to mention the price. This is a fifth of the price of most flagship smartphones.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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In the linked keynote, Jesse Lyu mentions that LLM won't help us actually do tasks - there are currently no so-called "agents" that do something simple like book a flight - the best way to do it is still to click the buttons yourself. Rabbit means to solve that by creating a "LAM", a "Large Action model", which is a service by Rabbit that will click interfaces for you. I'm not sure this is the right approach - if it…

actually agent frameworks are becoming very popular now

https://github.com/joaomdmoura/crewAI

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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watching the keynote, I was about to click Buy until I saw all the steps that required a laptop...

i feel a revolution shouldnt require so much tethering to other services through the hardware you are looking to replace?

if they keep iterating towards a truly standalone product, I think they'll hit all the notes we've been waiting for from a post-cellphone portable device

or can I make an AI agent to set it up for me :)

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