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Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by nusl »

scblock wrote: post #100

How can you so badly fail at even saying what the hell this is on your shitty glossy web site? What is this? The page is just a list of hardware 'features' with large but unclear pictures. "push to talk button" ok, so? "far-field mike" ok, so? "360 degree rotational eye" so what? "analog scroll wheel" that does what? "usb-c plus sim card slot" which gives me what? There's a video but I shouldn't have to watch a video…

This is a bit harsh. I feel that you can figure out what the device is before even scrolling. It’s a companion device that you can interact with to get assistance with various things, and the features you mention are how it gets instructions and information.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by i80and »

thallavajhula wrote: post #97

Teenage Engineering's hardware design is so cool. I'm a fan of their aesthetics. Their color choices are great too.

They're almost an interactive art project that somehow got enough of an audience to sell their artwork en masse.

I'm very glad they exist, but I'm always a bit flummoxed by what they make and manage to sell.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by yieldcrv »

dilap wrote: post #79
leetharris wrote: post #10

I am almost never a hater on people trying ambitious things, but man this is one of the most "doomed to fail" things I've ever seen. You've got absolutely insane market saturation by two major players that have some of the most advanced AI teams on the planet. Almost nobody is going to buy an "LLM-first phone," they will just wait for Apple or Google to put an LLM into their existing phone.

to me the pitch is compelling. i don't want to use any more fucking apps -- i want to talk to my computer, like i talk to chatgpt. there's real opportunity for a revolution here. i don't think apple or google are well-positioned to build this revolution, because they are too conservative and too bought-in on the old interaction model. (if jobs were still around, different story. alas.)

I think Apple would, all their devices always have the neutral engine chip, they just need to extend more RAM to it to support larger models

they already have a habit of replicating the most useful apps natively

i don’t see why not here

replace siri once and for all, while running a local llm server for apps to tie into instead of an api to chatgpt

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by [deleted] »

nusl wrote: post #111
scblock wrote: post #100

How can you so badly fail at even saying what the hell this is on your shitty glossy web site? What is this? The page is just a list of hardware 'features' with large but unclear pictures. "push to talk button" ok, so? "far-field mike" ok, so? "360 degree rotational eye" so what? "analog scroll wheel" that does what? "usb-c plus sim card slot" which gives me what? There's a video but I shouldn't have to watch a video…

This is a bit harsh. I feel that you can figure out what the device is before even scrolling. It’s a companion device that you can interact with to get assistance with various things, and the features you mention are how it gets instructions and information.

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Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by josephwegner »

How in the world are they going to make money on this? Perhaps the hardware is cheap to manufacture, but with no subscription I feel like they are going to get taken to the cleaner on LLM API fees. Even if they're running the LLM themselves, it's not cheap. Could they really be getting enough margin on the device to pay their staff _and_ all of that infra?

Or maybe this is another VC-backed sale price :)

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by miki123211 »

ianbicking wrote: post #80

This was what I had hoped might be possible years ago working on a voice assistant for a browser (Firefox Voice). That was all prototypish and desktop-focused, but the real potential I saw was in remote control of a cloud-based browser. Voice assistants without a way to execute actions are pretty limited. Google/Siri/Alexa built up those actions through sheer effort, creating integrations for everything, carefully ha…

Accessibility APIs are another way to do it. You can't break them because you have a bunch of angry blind people at your doorstep, but accessibility and automation are very closely related. If you expose your UI to a screen reader, you also expose it to whatever other apps want access.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by Krasnol »

tapoxi wrote: post #110

It's a neat idea but I'm not sure what the audience is. "It's simpler", but you still need to manage a bunch of integrations from a computer? It can't seem to make phone calls? I just want something that I can give my 93 year old grandfather so he can order a ride and get reminders about his prescriptions. Rabbit seems like a device that misses an audience that actually needs a simpler smartphone.

My elderly parents were my idea too, and the fact that I can manage the integration from my computer is actually a plus here. It's not like you have to do it all the time.

It has to be able to make phone calls and text on WhatsApp/Signal too, though.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by nwoli »

josephwegner wrote: post #117

How in the world are they going to make money on this? Perhaps the hardware is cheap to manufacture, but with no subscription I feel like they are going to get taken to the cleaner on LLM API fees. Even if they're running the LLM themselves, it's not cheap. Could they really be getting enough margin on the device to pay their staff _and_ all of that infra? Or maybe this is another VC-backed sale price :)

I figured it’s local llms on the device
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