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YouTube Bans True Crime Videos That Reanimate Dead Children with AI

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Re: YouTube Bans True Crime Videos That Reanimate Dead Children with AI

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Post by bitshiftfaced »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #4

While obviously it can veer off into the morbid and obscene, anyone remember "dramatic reenactment" labels on true crime TV in the 90s? (maybe before too) But I do think there's a space for communicating with impactful re-enactment and tasteful "redaction" (censor blurs, keeping things off scene, or jumping forward allowing implication to tell the story). As with all laws, and rules, the enforcement story will tell w…

I think it's something about recreating a likeness of a victim. A paid actor may look similar to a victim, but not exactly. Their image will evoke a totally different emotion from the victim's friends and family.

Re: YouTube Bans True Crime Videos That Reanimate Dead Children with AI

#12

Post by danbruc »

bitshiftfaced wrote: post #11
maerF0x0 wrote: post #4

While obviously it can veer off into the morbid and obscene, anyone remember "dramatic reenactment" labels on true crime TV in the 90s? (maybe before too) But I do think there's a space for communicating with impactful re-enactment and tasteful "redaction" (censor blurs, keeping things off scene, or jumping forward allowing implication to tell the story). As with all laws, and rules, the enforcement story will tell w…

I think it's something about recreating a likeness of a victim. A paid actor may look similar to a victim, but not exactly. Their image will evoke a totally different emotion from the victim's friends and family.

The generated girl was white, the actual victim black. Also - after skimming another article - it seems that the child was killed with a knife first and only then was the body put into the oven, maybe in the hope to get rid of the body. This is more like loosely based on a true story then an accurate retelling of events. Also age and name are slightly altered.

Re: YouTube Bans True Crime Videos That Reanimate Dead Children with AI

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Post by HenryBemis »

atticora wrote: post #3
anigbrowl wrote: post #2

Good thing too. Absolute gutter exploitation, like most of the 'true crime' genre.

I disagree. AI is becoming an increasingly important tool for telling stories, and making it harder to tell stories about true crimes and dead children is not a good thing. We need our full range of tools to think about and communicate about these horrors, as much as for anything else.

> tool for telling stories

Yes, i.e. I am thinking of a story that would make a nice children's book, with some keywords (forest, cave, fire, marshmallows, squirrel, etc.) It would be GREAT if I can get some AI machine (currently using Midjourney) to describe a scene, to find an image that would 'improve' the story.

I understand that others above mention "the law", but until the makers of laws react (globally) to prevent from this sh*t happening, we have to use basic human decency.

Also, we don't need to make movies for people who don't want movies to be made. And yes that is a thin line (i.e. we MUST make movies about the holocaust so we never forget - and not listen to people who want this avoided). But the tragedy of a family is a whole different game (and it requires a human with a soul to tell them apart - apparently).

Re: YouTube Bans True Crime Videos That Reanimate Dead Children with AI

#14

Post by teeray »

Analemma_ wrote: post #8
LiquidPolymer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"True Crime" as a genre is littered with unscrupulous hosts. But not all of it is in the gutter. In fact, some of it produces a public good. I admit I am attracted to these stories and try to choose carefully. If I may - two recommendations: "My Only Story" - an adult man notices with horror that the man who secretly raped him as a school boy in South Africa is still working as a teacher. He quits his job and starts…

> "True Crime" as a genre is littered with unscrupulous hosts. But not all of it is in the gutter. In fact, some of it produces a public good. True crime has a similar problem to, say, commerical fishing. Some of the early stuff was quite good, because the first shows to do it had their pick of complex and narratively satisfying events to be based on. But once the low-hanging fruit was plucked, subsequent shows had n…

> The demand for true crime has considerably outpaced the supply

Soon it will go meta: a serial killer hosts a true crime show to create interesting episodes, and then other true crime shows have an episode on that!

Re: YouTube Bans True Crime Videos That Reanimate Dead Children with AI

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Post by PoignardAzur »

teeray wrote: post #14
Analemma_ wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "True Crime" as a genre is littered with unscrupulous hosts. But not all of it is in the gutter. In fact, some of it produces a public good. True crime has a similar problem to, say, commerical fishing. Some of the early stuff was quite good, because the first shows to do it had their pick of complex and narratively satisfying events to be based on. But once the low-hanging fruit was plucked, subsequent shows had n…

> The demand for true crime has considerably outpaced the supply Soon it will go meta: a serial killer hosts a true crime show to create interesting episodes, and then other true crime shows have an episode on that!

I always thought that aspect was the creepiest part of the Scream movies.

Imagine surviving a serial killer, and knowing there are good odds you're going to die at the hands of another copycat killer before you die of old age.

Re: YouTube Bans True Crime Videos That Reanimate Dead Children with AI

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Post by tropdrop »

LiquidPolymer wrote: post #6
anigbrowl wrote: post #2

Good thing too. Absolute gutter exploitation, like most of the 'true crime' genre.

"True Crime" as a genre is littered with unscrupulous hosts. But not all of it is in the gutter. In fact, some of it produces a public good. I admit I am attracted to these stories and try to choose carefully. If I may - two recommendations: "My Only Story" - an adult man notices with horror that the man who secretly raped him as a school boy in South Africa is still working as a teacher. He quits his job and starts…

Don't forget Robert Durst of The Jinx – an American real estate heir got away with murder for decades. The Jinx was a true crime documentary for which Durst, for some reason, agreed to be interviewed. I don't want to give away any spoilers, but at some point throughout the interviewing Durst gave himself away and the evidence accrued within the documentary ended up being used to finally put him behind bars for life.

Re: YouTube Bans True Crime Videos That Reanimate Dead Children with AI

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Post by bitshiftfaced »

danbruc wrote: post #12
bitshiftfaced wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's something about recreating a likeness of a victim. A paid actor may look similar to a victim, but not exactly. Their image will evoke a totally different emotion from the victim's friends and family.

The generated girl was white, the actual victim black. Also - after skimming another article - it seems that the child was killed with a knife first and only then was the body put into the oven, maybe in the hope to get rid of the body. This is more like loosely based on a true story then an accurate retelling of events. Also age and name are slightly altered.

Does that matter? What did you think YouTube has in mind when they say "realistically simulate"? Sometimes you can see a trend coming early on, and isn't YouTube responding to what people will probably do in the future?

Re: YouTube Bans True Crime Videos That Reanimate Dead Children with AI

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

Analemma_ wrote: post #8
LiquidPolymer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"True Crime" as a genre is littered with unscrupulous hosts. But not all of it is in the gutter. In fact, some of it produces a public good. I admit I am attracted to these stories and try to choose carefully. If I may - two recommendations: "My Only Story" - an adult man notices with horror that the man who secretly raped him as a school boy in South Africa is still working as a teacher. He quits his job and starts…

> "True Crime" as a genre is littered with unscrupulous hosts. But not all of it is in the gutter. In fact, some of it produces a public good. True crime has a similar problem to, say, commerical fishing. Some of the early stuff was quite good, because the first shows to do it had their pick of complex and narratively satisfying events to be based on. But once the low-hanging fruit was plucked, subsequent shows had n…

As with so many things: the thing itself is not the issue. The problem is the thing started to make money/gain traffic and then everyone and their mother has to jump in and start making derivative versions of it until it's saturated beyond comprehension, none of it makes any money, and they run off to find the next damn thing to rip off.

Re: YouTube Bans True Crime Videos That Reanimate Dead Children with AI

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Post by maerF0x0 »

bitshiftfaced wrote: post #11
maerF0x0 wrote: post #4

While obviously it can veer off into the morbid and obscene, anyone remember "dramatic reenactment" labels on true crime TV in the 90s? (maybe before too) But I do think there's a space for communicating with impactful re-enactment and tasteful "redaction" (censor blurs, keeping things off scene, or jumping forward allowing implication to tell the story). As with all laws, and rules, the enforcement story will tell w…

I think it's something about recreating a likeness of a victim. A paid actor may look similar to a victim, but not exactly. Their image will evoke a totally different emotion from the victim's friends and family.

I have to say I think it's more stemming from the court of public opinion's reaction to inappropriate content for kids[1] and also laws that protect kids online.

[1]: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/28/parent...

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