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Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by dspillett »

mangodrunk wrote: post #206
dpkirchner wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd add a third fold: the huge rise in garbage ads above, below, overlapping, and surrounding content. Facebook et al have ads, of course, but they are extremely "tame" by comparison. Renting out every pixel ruined many sites.

I agree with you, and I don’t understand why some of these small blogs on niche topics even have ads. How much are they making a month? I’d be surprised if it’s even $5 a month for many of them.

> I’d be surprised if it’s even $5 a month for many of them.

I doubt it is even that, or close, if you take any average reading.

> I don’t understand why some of these small blogs on niche topics even have ads.

I think in many cases they have the ads there just in case one day they randomly get mentioned in a high-profile place, get a pile of traffic, and that makes them an amount in ad revenue worth caring about. Of course, they probably underestimate the effect of such a glut of traffic, most likely their site will grind to a halt long before much ad revenue is totted up, and their “15 minutes” will be over before it is back up again.

In some cases it is simply that they've chosen to host somewhere “free” where they have little or no control over the ad content, and probably never see a penny of any revenue from it (the host takes that in exchange for the “free” services).

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Post by ipaddr »

flir wrote: post #109
ManuelKiessling wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I‘ve always considered it to be exactly the other way round: in the old days of yore, the Internet was dominated by a certain kind of elite, and then the Endless September happened and commercialization followed.

I'd say there's been (at least) three overlapping generations: The academics (.edu email addresses), the geeky amateurs (dial-up internet), and the app users (the social media crowd). Not trying to denigrate the third generation there, it's just that for them it's a mature product, like a TV or a car. They feel no need to tinker with what BigCorp is selling them.

Where do the aol users fit? Part of the early app crowd?

Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by emsign »

What's the point of maintaining a website when the big search engines (Google) hides them under tons of SEO crap? You find information on social media now. And that's worse than how you used to find information in search. I've given up hope for the web.

Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by [deleted] »

mym1990 wrote: post #54
yard2010 wrote: post #13

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Tip: ublock origin on PC, vivaldi browser on android. No more ads

You're missing the forest for the trees. I don't want to download a bunch of crap so that I can avoid seeing other crap. Eventually the providers will find a way around the crap I installed with more crap, you get the idea. It is the world we live in, dominated by advertising at every nook and cranny that is disturbing.

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Post by sdsd »

fullstick wrote: post #191
sdsd wrote: post #181

i recently created a website: 13channel.crabdance.com we only have a handful of users, feel free to join us. I think it's hard for people to stick around since there are no alerts, subscriptions, notifications, etc. You have to come back to the website and check.

It's also hard to stick around when the website doesn't implement HTTPS and is insecure.

lol. i guess someone on your local wifi might intercept your posting password and delete your post to 13channel!

it's an anonymous imageboard with fairly uncontroversial topics. what's your threat model such that https would make you feel safer on 13channel?

fwiw i agree, we're gonna implement it soon just as a matter of principle, but it does seem a bit silly - what are you worried about happening? what is there to "secure"?

Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by mym1990 »

keiferski wrote: post #95
mym1990 wrote: post #92

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Why the strawman? Your claim of the average person not liking to read and what we are actually discussing of reading/writing being a good form of communication are two different things. Plenty of people like lots of bad things because we have monkey brains, stop thinking that just because a group likes something, it is good. I watch the behavior day in and day out...people watch HOURS of content per day, and at the e…

I am describing what I see as a societal shift and commenting on it. You are making this (and your other comment) into some moralistic activist argument, which is entirely missing the point and frankly just uninteresting. As I said, it’s not about what is better, it’s what ends up being used by people that drives culture. Adding to that: the critique of writing has a long history going back all the way to Plato. This…

What is uninteresting is your weak spine in succumbing to "societal inertia", without considering what is possibly good or bad, just what is. You clearly don't know what you're describing because you're just flip flopping between 2 things. Just read your comments back in a couple of hours and you'll understand.

Like I actually can't understand how your argument is: "people are watching more videos, therefore reading is bad". Did you even think that through?

Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by flir »

ipaddr wrote: post #232
flir wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say there's been (at least) three overlapping generations: The academics (.edu email addresses), the geeky amateurs (dial-up internet), and the app users (the social media crowd). Not trying to denigrate the third generation there, it's just that for them it's a mature product, like a TV or a car. They feel no need to tinker with what BigCorp is selling them.

Where do the aol users fit? Part of the early app crowd?

If I have to fit them to the model (which tbh I don't think bears close inspection) they're the vanguard of Generation 3. AOL was the first of the walled gardens. A proto-FaceGramTok.

Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by revskill »

Messing Ads with Search result is just ridiculous of the stupidity of human i've seen.

In a decade, i never see any actual useful Ads results to worth it.

If you want to show ads, make a dedicated Ads page, and i'll go there to browse your Ads, right ?

I go to your search page to search, to save my time, not to waste my time to ignore those useless Ads.

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