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Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by didntcheck »

Whoppertime wrote: post #96
benguild wrote: post #94

I feel like Wikipedia is one thing that helped take down a lot of topic-specific indie sites or home/about pages. Before, you could make a site about anything and find it via a search engine. That was part of the exciting surprise factor of the old web. Now, Wikipedia coverage is kind of like an expected existence for a lot of things. When Google started to rank Wikipedia very highly for search terms, that was the be…

And this is where we get hybrids. Topic specific wikis. If I want to know about quests in a Fallout game I check one wiki if I want to know about alternate universe Lex Luthors I check another wiki.

And of course they themselves have experienced the same phenomenon, with 90% of fandom wikis being absorbed into the blob that is "Fandom (tm)". It's turned fan wikis from what felt like niche non-commercial projects into yet another corporate entity trying to sell me more Marvel movies

Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by tluyben2 »

Ekaros wrote: post #72
bdcravens wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Web 3 as you described it never existed. I think Web 3 is more the TikTok and other mass content tools. Still dependent on their parties, but it's shifted to more access to rich content and more access, rather than the curated pinhole view of "posts", especially when it comes to live feeds.

Isn't TikTok solidly Web 2? It does not do any revolutionary. Maybe 2.3, but certainly it is pretty much same as for example Youtube. Just done bit differently.

There was a difference between hosted blogs, forums etc before and the new 'social-fied' ones we have now. It's not revolutionary, but it's a big enough change from 2 when that started to warrant some different tag imho. Blogs on blogger etc you still discovered yourself, now it's just an endless stream of garbage I don't care about (even though 'it knows me') with ads 'sprinkled' (hosed) in there on most platforms.

Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by mrkramer »

bdcravens wrote: post #23
dikei wrote: post #15

Isn't this how we classify web "generation"? * Web 1.0: independent websites, self-maintained, hard * Web 2.0: hosted platforms like blogs and social networks, easy, but rely on providers * Web 3.0: promise to free users from the platform providers but are mostly crypto scam currently.

Web 3 as you described it never existed. I think Web 3 is more the TikTok and other mass content tools. Still dependent on their parties, but it's shifted to more access to rich content and more access, rather than the curated pinhole view of "posts", especially when it comes to live feeds.

I think Web 3 is already here; it is your browser that has millions of LOC and that is more powerful then ever before. There are hundreds and thousands of useful browser extensions and I think we should build around that ecosystem. Mix powerful web browser and its extension ecosystem with DeFi and other decentralized solutions and we should get some interesting use cases and apps.

Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by Stranger43 »

mcv wrote: post #38
bdcravens wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Web 3 as you described it never existed. I think Web 3 is more the TikTok and other mass content tools. Still dependent on their parties, but it's shifted to more access to rich content and more access, rather than the curated pinhole view of "posts", especially when it comes to live feeds.

I would really like web3 to go back to distributed networks. Fediverse and all that. I guess cryptocurrencies fit in there too; I guess web3 would have its light and dark side. But decentralisation would be a nice theme. TikTok isn't really fundamentally different from the stuff we consider web2, is it? (I actually think imposing these artificial "generations" on web evolution is silly, but if we're going to do it, I…

The big hurdle is that for some reason people think that video content cannot be decentralized and that building off-platform brands tend to be a lot harder then playing the algorithm for most professional creators.

Web3 as a brand is probably dead having been tarnished by association with the cryptoscam community, but there is some hint that the zeitgeists is for both creators and consumers wanting a more direct relationship that can only really come via more decentralization of control.

Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by phendrenad2 »

I think what changed was education. Digging through the internet archive, as I do about 16 hours a day (as an out-of-work RoR dev with a nostalgia problem), I see many sites that look like they were started by highschoolers. And that reminded me that once upon a time, computer literacy in school meant "have the kids put some HTML and PHP on the school webserver". These days, they're probably learning how to crack leetcode or something that won't result in fun websites.

Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by krapp »

bheadmaster wrote: post #102
krapp wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah. 4chan's reputation is entirely deserved.

Nah. 4chan's reputation is entirely undeserved. See? I can also make claims without any arguments whatsoever.

Yes, that's all you've been doing.

But 4chan wears its infamy on its sleeve with pride (usually white pride.) The Alfred E. Neuman shtick of disaffected bemusement was stale even when Mad was published on dead trees.

But go ahead and take the last laugh. You're being neither clever nor insightful here.

Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by pipeline_peak »

mym1990 wrote: post #5

Not only has the content become fairly centralized, many of the sites that you might go to find things like...recipes, or guides, or direction on something...are absolutely littered with ads. It is no trivial task to scroll through these metaphorical garbage cans looking for that one tidbit of information that will help you, mobile especially. And to some degree, I get it. The incentives that got is to today are all…

A lot of those recipe sites just love to start off with a 5 paragraph essay before the actual recipe.

Everything online reads like a magazine.

Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by mrkramer »

Commercial web was something wildly new and wildly interesting for all the people that used it because such a thing never existed before but web consolidated over the years and now people find it boring and not that useful. We should support and fight more for the "Open Web" nature of the web and slow down with walled gardens.

Speaking of "Where Have All the Websites Gone?", they are most likely dead. There are millions of dead websites that no longer exist on the WWW. I didn't do any formal research or data mining project but my assumption is that there are more dead websites than there are alive websites or in another words websites that exist today on the web. Since history is a passion of my, I think I and others should do more to explore and perhaps revive those websites for the sake of information and knowledge preservation and retrieval.

Re: Where Have All the Websites Gone?

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Post by bheadmaster »

krapp wrote: post #117
bheadmaster wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah. 4chan's reputation is entirely undeserved. See? I can also make claims without any arguments whatsoever.

Yes, that's all you've been doing. But 4chan wears its infamy on its sleeve with pride (usually white pride.) The Alfred E. Neuman shtick of disaffected bemusement was stale even when Mad was published on dead trees. But go ahead and take the last laugh. You're being neither clever nor insightful here.

> Yes, that's all you've been doing.

No, in the comment you've originally replied to I have clearly stated a possible explanation of why 4chan has a bad reputation. Please refrain from pointless "no u" comments, and attack my arguments instead.

> But 4chan wears its infamy on its sleeve with pride (usually white pride.)

4chan is not an entity onto itself - it is composed of many individuals, that was the whole point of my post. But because you don't know the identity of those individuals, you just consider them a monolith and put collective blame onto them.

Additionaly, the official rule 3. of 4chan states:

    You will not post any of the following outside /b/:
        [...]
        b. Racism
        [...]
> But go ahead and take the last laugh. You're being neither clever nor insightful here.

Please refrain from personal insults. See https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html:

    When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."
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