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Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by burnerthrow008 »

mrweasel wrote: post #188
dagmx wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows 2000 wasn’t the version before Windows XP for most people though. It was Windows ME. Most people would not have experienced 2000. Windows 2000 was the last of the separate business targeted operating systems. Therefore I’d argue the nostalgia isn’t misplaced because most people under 45 just couldn’t have the nostalgia for 2000 to begin with. XP unified the two lines into one OS with multiple SKUs instead of…

> Windows 2000 wasn’t the version before Windows XP for most people though. That's probably a fair observation. Windows 2000 came out before Windows ME, so it you had just a slight interest in computers, you'd try it out and after that Windows 98 and even ME felt like a downgrade, so you'd stay on 2000. I remember getting an beta release of Windows 2000 in late December 1999 and that was basically it, every other ver…

It’s not even the relative timing: 2000 couldn’t run many games because (being a descendant of the NT line) it didn’t support all the 9x graphics APIs. Very few home users had it. I tried running games on it back in the day, and some didn’t work.

XP was the first Windows that had BOTH support for all “home windows” APIs AND the multi-user NT kernel (windows 95/98/me didn’t truly have a concept of user ownership of files outside the context of network file shares, for example)

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by jeroenhd »

SteveNuts wrote: post #332
jimmaswell wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They shipped it marked as deprecated to support people already using it, but to discourage new use. You can't really complain after ignoring that warning.

There's no indication it's deprecated, it'll let you install it in its broken state with no warning.

> There's no indication it's deprecated

The "Features Removed or Deprecated in Windows Server 2012" page has mentioned SMTP since the OS was still called "Windows 8 server": https://web.archive.org/web/20120517025232/http://technet.mi...

I suppose you could've missed this if you moved directly from WS2008 to WS2022, but I don't know any OS that publishes "things we have removed or deprecated in the last three versions", it's usually just "what changed from the previous version to the current one".

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by ygra »

burnerthrow008 wrote: post #341
mrweasel wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Windows 2000 wasn’t the version before Windows XP for most people though. That's probably a fair observation. Windows 2000 came out before Windows ME, so it you had just a slight interest in computers, you'd try it out and after that Windows 98 and even ME felt like a downgrade, so you'd stay on 2000. I remember getting an beta release of Windows 2000 in late December 1999 and that was basically it, every other ver…

It’s not even the relative timing: 2000 couldn’t run many games because (being a descendant of the NT line) it didn’t support all the 9x graphics APIs. Very few home users had it. I tried running games on it back in the day, and some didn’t work. XP was the first Windows that had BOTH support for all “home windows” APIs AND the multi-user NT kernel (windows 95/98/me didn’t truly have a concept of user ownership of fi…

While I've heard that Win2k didn't run games well back in the day I never actually had any problems. DirectX worked fine. Perhaps the caveat pertained to DOS games where NTVDM is lacking compared to running more or less directly in DOS.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by johann8384 »

transcriptase wrote: post #22

Microsoft actually makes the version of Windows that people want, but it’s called LTSC and they really don’t want you to have it. No bloat, no ads, no forced or feature updates, optional security patches only, virtually nothing installed by default, and minimal telemetry.

I think you can remove most of the bloatware with autoattend.xml installation: reg delete HKU\default\software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run /v OneDriveSetup /f

Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -AllUsers -Online

Microsoft.Microsoft3DViewer Microsoft.WindowsCalculator Microsoft.WindowsCamera Clipchamp.Clipchamp Microsoft.WindowsAlarms Microsoft.549981C3F5F10 Microsoft.WindowsFeedbackHub Microsoft.GetHelp Microsoft.WindowsMaps Microsoft.ZuneVideo Microsoft.BingNews Microsoft.WindowsNotepad Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub Microsoft.Office.OneNote Microsoft.Paint Microsoft.MSPaint Microsoft.People Microsoft.Windows.Photos Microsoft.PowerAutomateDesktop MicrosoftCorporationII.QuickAssist Microsoft.SkypeApp Microsoft.ScreenSketch Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection Microsoft.MicrosoftStickyNotes Microsoft.Getstarted Microsoft.Todos Microsoft.WindowsSoundRecorder Microsoft.BingWeather Microsoft.ZuneMusic Microsoft.WindowsTerminal Microsoft.Xbox.TCUI Microsoft.XboxApp Microsoft.XboxGameOverlay Microsoft.XboxGamingOverlay Microsoft.XboxIdentityProvider Microsoft.XboxSpeechToTextOverlay Microsoft.GamingApp Microsoft.YourPhone

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by dusted »

Things I don't like from this demo:

Setup screen:

* Flat box instead of real dialog in the installer

* No box around the close button

* No accents on the next button

* Next button provides no feedback to mouse-over or mouse-click

* List items (the C: partition) has no borders before it's moused-over, it's basically a point-and-click adventure entity where you have to mouse-over everything to see what can be interacted with

Boot screen:

* Flat logo is ugly, should have some accents, original XP logo much better

* busy-bar is weird, it's segmented but the segments do not animate, rather the entire 3 segments slide around.. again, original is much better.

Finishing installation:

* Different type of "window" or container now, still rounded border, missing accents. Inconsistent.

* Items in list again not indicative of being clickable.

* Text-inputs give no feedback on mouse-over or of being selected

* Next button still not giving any feedback

Third installation screen: Stop already. It was annoying in XP too.

Booted: * UI looks like a bad Macromedia flash parody version of XP.

* And that settings stuff? Oh god why! Bring back the control panel and the dialogues of XP, those were again MUCH nicer.

Okay, this is worse than the orignal in every single way..

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. - Hanlon's razor, but still, it's really hard to believe someone would honestly see these as improvements. Hope for humanity: lost.

What would actually be nice is Windows XP UI, exactly how it was before SP1, but without the bugs and crashes (I _KNOW_ that can be done without messing with the UI) with the ability to run current software on current hardware, with nothing at all changed in the UI.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by soraminazuki »

haunter wrote: post #251
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #136

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There is no store whatsoever. Anything that requires the store simply freezes.

You can simply enable (download and reinstall) the store in LTSC Powershell/Terminal: "wsreset -i"

That's simply broken though.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by razakel »

zakki wrote: post #265
toastercat wrote: post #233

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> why not just use Linux full time and get a PS5/Xbox for the AAA games you can't run under Linux A PC with Windows 10 LTSC beats PS5/Xbox in terms in game availability and backwards compatibility. It also unsurprisingly still beats Linux + Proton in terms of compability. It is still Windows after all. Console gaming is not comparable to PC gaming at this point. Using LTSC over regular W10 affords you a more stable s…

So do you know how to buy W10 LTSC license? Should it via MS Partners? Can we buy it directly from MS?

There are licence brokers, but they tend to only deal with businesses. You could ask your job to buy it and resell it to you.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by soraminazuki »

Sakos wrote: post #274
DANmode wrote: post #80

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> when it comes to everything “just working”, it’s hard to beat. You've never had updates bork your Windows machine, its drivers etc a few hours before an important meeting, I see!

I've had the same issue with Linux. It's far from immune. I've also generally found it easier to recover a borked Windows install than a Linux one.

I never had that issue with NixOS.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by exikyut »

matthewfcarlson wrote: post #43
ajdude wrote: post #5

Whenever I set up a new computer for older family members, despite it being windows 11, I always install open shell[1] and retro bar[2]. Between the two, I've made the operating system look very close to Windows XP visually, and they always appreciate it. [1] https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu [2] https://github.com/dremin/RetroBar

My grandpa in particular is very technologically savvy but his real expertise stops around 1999. He uses windows 11 but detests it and frequently encounters issues that no one else on the internet have. One time while visiting, I set up windows 3.1 in a virtual box VM and he lit up like a candle. He was very excited about getting his old pascal programs running again.

You're probably already aware there are some hilarious drivers for I think VirtualBox that let ~Win3.1 achieve practically infinite VGA resolution.

And then you have your choice of networking via eg SLIP or (more sanely lol) a program that can mount VHDs offline.

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