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Jeff Lawson steps down as CEO of Twilio

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Re: Jeff Lawson steps down as CEO of Twilio

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I worked at Twilio for nearly 10 years and it's hard to overstate what a gift it was to work there and see Jeff operate as CEO up-close. He created an environment where (at our best) we could have fun doing work that had a real impact, and we could it with people we enjoyed doing the work with. He pushed us to be creative to authentically empower and inspire developers. Wanna build a video game that teaches developer…

It's also why George Hu left Twilio. Because Jeff wanted to be a celebrity CEO, and it was to the detriment of the company. All of Twilio's growth (as a public company) happened on George's watch. I don't think it's a coincidence that well after George left, on Jeff's watch - they had to do 3 different layoff for a total of ~24% of their entire public company being let go. Note: former senior level Twilio employee, p…

is that you, George Hu?

Re: Jeff Lawson steps down as CEO of Twilio

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It's also why George Hu left Twilio. Because Jeff wanted to be a celebrity CEO, and it was to the detriment of the company. All of Twilio's growth (as a public company) happened on George's watch. I don't think it's a coincidence that well after George left, on Jeff's watch - they had to do 3 different layoff for a total of ~24% of their entire public company being let go. Note: former senior level Twilio employee, p…

This is a genuine question... isn't that his job? For a public company, the CEO has to be a public CEO. Everyone takes on a different persona (some sell themselves as business geniuses, others as creative geniuses, and others as someone you wanna grab a beer with). Some really like it, and some do it begrudgingly. But at the end of the day, you can't be the same CEO of a public company as you were when you were priva…

I don't know the right answer here, but there are thousands of public companies. If every CEO has to be a celebrity, meaning that everybody knows them and which company they are the CEO of, it's going to end up like for actors: tier one world superstars, tier two stars, then people you don't hear much about, then people you read their names sometimes in the closing credits, otherwise they are only random faces on screen.

If that's the case, the top layers of the system have space for so many CEOs. Some won't even care to be there, they'll just do their job and take the salary plus bonuses.

Re: Jeff Lawson steps down as CEO of Twilio

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It's also why George Hu left Twilio. Because Jeff wanted to be a celebrity CEO, and it was to the detriment of the company. All of Twilio's growth (as a public company) happened on George's watch. I don't think it's a coincidence that well after George left, on Jeff's watch - they had to do 3 different layoff for a total of ~24% of their entire public company being let go. Note: former senior level Twilio employee, p…

This is a genuine question... isn't that his job? For a public company, the CEO has to be a public CEO. Everyone takes on a different persona (some sell themselves as business geniuses, others as creative geniuses, and others as someone you wanna grab a beer with). Some really like it, and some do it begrudgingly. But at the end of the day, you can't be the same CEO of a public company as you were when you were priva…

>For a public company, the CEO has to be a celebrity CEO.

Is it?

From the DJIA: can you even name the CEO of 3M? Cisco? Amex? Visa?

I don't think celebrity is a pre-req for being a CEO. And as OP suggests, it could even be a detriment.

Re: Jeff Lawson steps down as CEO of Twilio

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post #44

I used twilio for years until in August of 2023 they started blocking all my text messages, then they wanted you to describe what you're using it for and you had to pay money to fill out a form to tell them what you're using the text messages for.... then they would deny that and then you basically can't use twilio, or pay them to fill out the form again so they can deny you again.... This is for outbound SMS (paymen…

> I used twilio for years until in August of 2023 they started blocking all my text messages, New telco industry texting requirements came into play. In short, US biz are required to register with The Campaign Registry and pay regular fees if they want to do any (as in 1+) software text comms. It can be onerous for not-large biz. Twillo took point early-on (inserting themselves into the administration, IIRC) and Twil…

Somewhat surprising/disappointing to me was that now you can't even send SMS to a number that initiates the conversation--this would seem to be a pretty clear opt-in indicator. Because of that, I couldn't find a way (through Twilio) to get around the registration requirements just to send SMS to my own number for development purposes to try some things out. The registration workflow and UX is also comically terrible and confusing.

It's a shame as I think there are some legit non-spam use cases for SMS as a messaging platform, but considering you now seemingly need to pay, fill out a bunch of annoying/buggy forms, and wait for days to who-knows-how-long before sending a single message in development, I'd say it's been pretty well destroyed as anything a dev would ever play around with. Who's going to do all that before writing a line of code?

Re: Jeff Lawson steps down as CEO of Twilio

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I'm somewhat on top of the stock, here's my not financial advice take: 1. Growth rate slowed such that valuations had to come down (went from inevitable overtaking of Salesforce in size, to decades of growth required) 2. Environment -- Cashflow negative meaning another raise was required without fiscal controls and in a high interest environment that's really tough. A return to office end of covid anxiety meant the C…

https://contracts.justia.com/companies/twilio-inc-3579/contr... Looks like Eyal's compensation was more like 9-10M?

https://www.execpay.org/executive/eyal-manor-42374/r-186733

He got 33M in stock grants in 2021

You’re both pretty much right it looks like he vested all the RSUs in one year so he while he took it all home in 2021 it had probably vested over 4 years, the first 3 when it wasn’t reflected as comp.

Re: Jeff Lawson steps down as CEO of Twilio

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This is a genuine question... isn't that his job? For a public company, the CEO has to be a public CEO. Everyone takes on a different persona (some sell themselves as business geniuses, others as creative geniuses, and others as someone you wanna grab a beer with). Some really like it, and some do it begrudgingly. But at the end of the day, you can't be the same CEO of a public company as you were when you were priva…

I don't know the right answer here, but there are thousands of public companies. If every CEO has to be a celebrity, meaning that everybody knows them and which company they are the CEO of, it's going to end up like for actors: tier one world superstars, tier two stars, then people you don't hear much about, then people you read their names sometimes in the closing credits, otherwise they are only random faces on scr…

Sure. I'd say 99% of people in tech couldn't name the Twilio CEO. I don't think he's really a celebrity CEO, at least not in the way that's being implied about him (as in, I think "public" and "celebrity" are being conflated here).

Jobs certainly was a celebrity CEO, and despite all the criticism of him, I've never once heard anyone imply he was bad for Apple (or its shareholders). Musk is a celebrity CEO, much to the detriment (and potentially benefit? who knows) of his companies.

Re: Jeff Lawson steps down as CEO of Twilio

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post #8

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The stock price has been lackluster unfortunately. I’m not sure as to why.

I'm somewhat on top of the stock, here's my not financial advice take: 1. Growth rate slowed such that valuations had to come down (went from inevitable overtaking of Salesforce in size, to decades of growth required) 2. Environment -- Cashflow negative meaning another raise was required without fiscal controls and in a high interest environment that's really tough. A return to office end of covid anxiety meant the C…

>Environment -- Cashflow negative meaning another raise was required without fiscal controls

The company was founded almost 20 years ago, and went public in 2016..and they are still needing to raise money?

I mean, this isn't a capital intensive space, right? What's the deal?

Re: Jeff Lawson steps down as CEO of Twilio

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> and knew they were something special Can you share more insights on how you knew they were special?

I was an intern at GigaOM in 2009 (a popular tech blog that ran conferences), and my first memory of Twilio was going to the sales people and trying to convince them to give Twilio a discounted booth because I thought the product was so great. I remember the salesperson laughing and saying "this booth costs more money than they have in their bank account", but there was some extra inventory and we got them the booth.…

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