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Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by AdrianB1 »

orenlindsey wrote: post #7

This product is the first step to the real future of tech. Just like the iPhone took years to catch on (similarly to Vision Pro, the big problem was price), this product's successors will be the market leaders for all tech in 5 years (maybe longer, but I think 5 years is fair).

I see this having a real future in some special cases, but for this price not as a general use tech. I saw a movie where a guy was repairing a ship with some AR (not VR) glasses/eyepiece that was identifying the parts he was looking at and helping with information on what is that, what it does, how to assemble or disassemble etc. Like having the instructions in your hands while having your hands free to work. Voice commands should be included. But creating the app showing the instructions and then loading good models and information in the app is probably the big challenge.

I work in manufacturing, there are so many maintenance operations and a limited amount of experts that can do it. With the right price and the right apps and docs, this can make a huge difference.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by thomastjeffery »

HatchedLake721 wrote: post #281

Came looking for new comments on this post, and couldn't find it. Any reason this dropped from front page with 232 points and 271 comments in 2 hours to page 3?

My understanding is that HN's page ranking ranks posts with more comments and fewer upvotes lower.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by Podgajski »

Hehohei wrote: post #268
Podgajski wrote: post #204

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Light is not the same thing as anthropomorphically generated electromagnetic radiation. We evolved with sunlight we did not live with these anthropomorphic created electromagnetic polarized frequencies until very recently. And yes, I’m aware of the radio waves around me constantly and that’s a problem as well. So I was adding any more of it going to do anything to help us? http://pe.org.pl/articles/2020/9/35.pdf

There have been plenty of studies for a long time regarding this and a practical 'study' going on for now a long time across the globe with billions of people. What is your specific worry? getting cancer? The paper you reference states the same: "Hence, VR headsets and mobile phones are safe." And yes light is the same thing as anthropomorphically generated electromagnetic radiation, depending on what radiation you t…

Why do people have to constantly degrade the legitimate science going on between the question of man-made electromagnetic radiation and human health?

One of the biggest differences between light and electromagnetic waves created by humans is that they are polarized. Light waves are not polarized they are scattered. Light waves are also not pulsed.

Cancer? Maybe. What about cataracts? What about tinnitus? What about mood disturbances? What about Parkinson’s?

EMFs affect our neurology and it’s been published and papers over and over. There are non-thermal effects in biological beings that are underplayed by the industry.

Is this going to affect everyone the same way? No. Because genetics matter. The fact that electromagnetic radiation seems to stimulate voltage gated ion channels will mean that people with, different genetics in these ion channels will have different effects to electromagnetic radiation.

And in fact, I am one of these people who are sensitive to it. Both low frequency and radio frequency, EMF cause mood, disturbances, insomnia, and tinnitus. And when, using laptops with high levels of low frequency electromagnetic radiation i have nosebleeds. Other people have seen this happened to me in real time.

I’m sure that’s all in my head though right?

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by elicash »

two_handfuls wrote: post #265
elicash wrote: post #163

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No, it's not the same as 3D. They are 6DOF videos, essentially, so you can change perspective.

Nah. They are stereo 3D videos with depth data. You can only change perspective very little.

I think we're saying the same thing, that it's not the same as 3D video.

Totally fine to say their version of it is bad because you can only change perspective very little. But saying it's "only" 3D would I think confuse people more, since it'd be wrong.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by Podgajski »

curioussavage wrote: post #282
Podgajski wrote: post #91

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I’m going to say with the electromagnetic radiation blasting you in the forehead There’s going to be other problems.

This device uses a puck. It’s going to be down on your belt right about where your cell phone with the same radios already is. This feels silly. Put on your tinfoil hat I guess? Even if you don’t own a cell phone, how often are you surrounded within several feet by up to dozens over people with one? If you live out in the woods then why do you care anyways? In other words it’s a drop in the bucket.

You make it sound like the puck being down near your groin is any better.

But there are still electronics in the headset and I can’t wait to get a hold of one to measure the EMFs that are coming out of it.

And the jokes about the tinfoil hat I don’t get it. There is so much research around this, and so many questions. Still, you think the evidence is all in. And we have an industry who is trying to downplay the non-thermal effects of electro biotic radiation because it would damage the industry if anything harmful came out.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by sghiassy »

JohnBooty wrote: post #262
the_gastropod wrote: post #67

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I don’t understand the huge screens thing. The Vision Pro has 4k resolution (if I remember correctly). Most decent monitors have the same. Isn’t this basically the same as moving your existing monitor closer to your head to make it a huge monitor?

If "all" this thing does is replace a 4K monitor for existing MacOS stuff, I would consider saving up to buy one. It would be nice to work in various locations with the equivalent of a big 4K screen. I am unfortunately one of those people who really cannot work on a laptop screen, I need lots of real estate. (And laptops are ergonomically bad even if you don't mind the small screen) I actually currently have 3 4K mon…

Same. I use 4x 4k monitors and I’m not really interested in learning new ways to work on less real estate.

If the Apple Vision Pro could replace my 4 monitors, I’d be delighted

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by Podgajski »

93po wrote: post #284
Podgajski wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Light is not the same thing as anthropomorphically generated electromagnetic radiation. We evolved with sunlight we did not live with these anthropomorphic created electromagnetic polarized frequencies until very recently. And yes, I’m aware of the radio waves around me constantly and that’s a problem as well. So I was adding any more of it going to do anything to help us? http://pe.org.pl/articles/2020/9/35.pdf

> anthropomorphically generated electromagnetic radiation what? you realize all living beings have been exposed to huge amounts of EM radiation since the inception of life in the universe, right? The fact that it's now human made doesn't give it magical properties that cause it to be more damaging. your body itself, right now, emits EM radiation. The piece of fruit next to you emits it. there is zero science showing…

This comment is totally ignorant on the science behind electromagnetic fields that are used for telecommunications. If light or like anthropomorphic EMF, it would be a laser. If telecommunication radio frequency waves were not polarized they could not transmit any information.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by nottorp »

itishappy wrote: post #139
jltsiren wrote: post #107

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Unfortunately the lenses are not expensive, which likely means that they are mass produced. If you have an uncommon prescription, you probably can't get the right lenses.

Great point. > Apple says that "not all prescriptions are supported."

Yay. I have enough astigmatism that the docs told me contacts is a no go and can't use off the shelf lenses. But those are Zeiss!
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