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Re: What PWA Can Do Today

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of the functionality listed on this site is not part of the web platform, but rather Blink-only APIs Google implemented unilaterally that have been explicitly rejected by Mozilla and Apple.

Apple wants to keep in control with the app store. PWAs threaten that control. So much so apple doesn't allow other browsers.

That argument would work if it were only Apple rejecting them. Mozilla rejects them on the same grounds.

Re: What PWA Can Do Today

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On a purely technical level the main thing stopping PWA adoption is the JS front end universe being addicted to front end frameworks which destroy the UX of websites and PWAs, but there is a key value add with app stores which PWAs will never have: trust, and much as the Apple haters will hate it it is much stronger on the iOS App Store because of the very things they hate about it.

Chrome, for all of Google's sins, is a modern miracle of software engineering. Safari is nothing like as far off as people make out either.

Re: What PWA Can Do Today

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post #18

This should have big warnings on it. Some of these are not web standards; they are features implemented unilaterally by Google in Blink that have been explicitly rejected by both Mozilla and Apple on privacy and security grounds. Take Web Bluetooth, for example: Mozilla: > This model is unsustainable and presents a significant risk to users and their devices. — https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/#web-bluet…

Thanks for putting it in context, the Bluetooth API has been a big source of frustration in my exploration of PWAs. So many simple setup apps wouldn't need to be native. A cross platform Bluetooth API for the web would provide really easy PoC with MCUs.

And a massive exploit capability for malware.

Re: What PWA Can Do Today

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The only thing holding me back from using PWA's right now is tabbed mode [1].

Browser tabs are so useful and having them open in new windows or in the system browser is a bad experience.

Not sure why this is taking so long, there have been prototypes for years. Not like its even a security question just bringing over a UI that already exists in the browser.

https://developer.chrome.com/docs/capabilities/tabbed-applic...

Re: What PWA Can Do Today

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Call me back when PWAs can be registered as share targets on iOS (i.e. it appears as an app on the share sheet when you click "share" on a web page). I really want the ability to bookmark sites I browse on my phone and save it to a self-hosted web application.

Re: What PWA Can Do Today

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This should have big warnings on it. Some of these are not web standards; they are features implemented unilaterally by Google in Blink that have been explicitly rejected by both Mozilla and Apple on privacy and security grounds. Take Web Bluetooth, for example: Mozilla: > This model is unsustainable and presents a significant risk to users and their devices. — https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/#web-bluet…

Another API that Google implemented that Mozilla and Apple made similar objections to is WebUSB.

Re: What PWA Can Do Today

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On a purely technical level the main thing stopping PWA adoption is the JS front end universe being addicted to front end frameworks which destroy the UX of websites and PWAs, but there is a key value add with app stores which PWAs will never have: trust, and much as the Apple haters will hate it it is much stronger on the iOS App Store because of the very things they hate about it. Chrome, for all of Google's sins,…

The front end framework mess is just a symptom of the actual problem, which is that the building blocks provided by browsers are too crude/limited to allow for consistent quality, and so Rube Goldberg machine frameworks arise to try to paper it all over.

I think browsers can be a good platform but for that to happen they need to be a bit more batteries-included, with built in APIs for UI and other essentials that rival those of desktop platforms so crazy frameworks are rendered unnecessary.

Re: What PWA Can Do Today

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On a purely technical level the main thing stopping PWA adoption is the JS front end universe being addicted to front end frameworks which destroy the UX of websites and PWAs, but there is a key value add with app stores which PWAs will never have: trust, and much as the Apple haters will hate it it is much stronger on the iOS App Store because of the very things they hate about it. Chrome, for all of Google's sins,…

> On a purely technical level the main thing stopping PWA adoption is the JS front end universe being addicted to front end frameworks which destroy the UX of websites and PWAs

I would hesitate to conflate PWA adoption with JS framework popularity olympics. On a purely technical level, the only thing stopping you from using a PWA is you.

Perhaps you should reconsider your product and business model if it doesn't work without App Store presence. The App Store cannot sell your product for you. At some point you will need to interact with your actual customers if you want to succeed.

Having an app "in the store" does not equate to trust for me.

Re: What PWA Can Do Today

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This should have big warnings on it. Some of these are not web standards; they are features implemented unilaterally by Google in Blink that have been explicitly rejected by both Mozilla and Apple on privacy and security grounds. Take Web Bluetooth, for example: Mozilla: > This model is unsustainable and presents a significant risk to users and their devices. — https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/#web-bluet…

Extinguish? The web is "existinguished" by websites being able to use bluetooth, after asking for permission?
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