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Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by jprete »

freeone3000 wrote: post #149
adastra22 wrote: post #121

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Serious question: why do you expect VR to take off with the general public? A decade into VR experiments, and nobody has come up with good non-gaming applications better than cartoony chat apps. It’s got a worse track record than blockchain.

Space is limited, screens are expensive and hard to transport, and people are more mobile than ever. Having your multi-monitor setup at a coffeeshop just as it is at home is a huge gain. I’m not expecting this to replace monitors for most people now. But next monitor upgrade, if you already work on a Macbook, it might be a better option than an external display for some people.

It would be easier and simpler to use a portable LCD monitor. They do exist and are simpler, smaller, and cheaper than a VR headset. Tablets could have been used for the same use case.

But...they aren't. People don't want it. What they want is a computer so light that it's always available. Most people seem to carry phones for consumption and sometimes lightweight laptops for work.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by Terretta »

Podgajski wrote: post #123
lbourdages wrote: post #81

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Apple needs saving? That's news to me!

Apple has been trading down the last six months. Their iPhone sales in china keep dropping. You can’t exist like that in the current MBA driven stock market. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/01/08/apple-iphone-sales-in-ch...

> You can’t exist like that in the current MBA driven stock market.

Their supply chains and customers will evaporate? Or you mean they can't access the market for cash at valuations that make sense?

Depending how they operate, only one of those is existential. Any number of firms that the markets soured on simply bought themselves back private and carried on existing.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by steve1977 »

eclipxe wrote: post #165
Hehohei wrote: post #37

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I will not sit in a office, were other people can see me, wearing snow goggles. As expensive as they are, as stylish as they are.

Why do you care what it looks like to other people around you?

Especially when you can’t see these people and their reactions anymore anyway.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by Hehohei »

Podgajski wrote: post #91
tibbydudeza wrote: post #51

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Would be interested in long term use replacing a laptop - headaches - eyestrain etc ....

I’m going to say with the electromagnetic radiation blasting you in the forehead There’s going to be other problems.

What type of 'electromagnetic radiation' is now specially new to this device?

And what health risks are you aware of, i'm not?

You do know, that light is the same thing right? And you do know that even without a headset you do have radio waves and wifi around you constantly?

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by jprete »

ayewo wrote: post #133
akmarinov wrote: post #102

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This won't be successful, the $3500 price tag alone assures it. It will hopefully lead to something that's actually meant for end users, though.

> This won't be successful, the $3500 price tag alone assures it. It will hopefully lead to something that's actually meant for end users, though. How can you be so sure about a company that makes a monitor stand that sells for $1000? Don’t forget Steve Ballmer famously mocked Apple because he thought iPhones were too expensive at $500 a pop. Today, Apple sells $1000+ iPhones.

Ballmer didn't understand that phones would become a very strong consumption device. If we were just talking about productive work and phone calls he'd be right. What niche do VR headsets fill in user demand that is currently unfilled? There may well be one - I'm not posting for the sake of making Ballmer's exact mistake - but I don't know what it is.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by ladberg »

satvikpendem wrote: post #156
ladberg wrote: post #147

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> Do you know how Apple wants you to run a code editor on Vision Pro? That's right, own a Mac and literally stream the video output to the Vision Pro Source for this? I could believe not wanting a compiler on Vision Pro for battery reasons, but I don't see a reason why something like Sublime Text or VSCode (w/wo Remote) won't be available.

What's the point of running a code editor without a compiler? Obviously I could write code in the Notes app, it doesn't mean I literally want a code-as-text editor, I want to run the code I write. VSCode with remote will be available as it runs on the browser anyway.

FWIW I never use a code editor with the compiler running locally, I always use VSCode Remote. Even before that I just used a bare bones editor like Atom and SSHFS (or similar) to edit and compile stuff remotely.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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satvikpendem wrote: post #89

The main issue I have with the Vision Pro is that Apple learned with the iPad what to do and what not to do when it comes to their customers, chiefly to have an app store that you could not install software outside of. Had the Mac been invented today, it surely would follow the same model, and the Vision Pro is very likely to be following such a model. If I can't use it to have my own applications, whatever they migh…

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Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by tguedes »

beardyw wrote: post #132
bilalq wrote: post #59

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I think adoption being limited because of price is useful here. If it was cheaper, more people would buy it and be disappointed. As it stands, only wealthy early adopters or die-hard Apple fans who can see them do no wrong will buy it. It selects for an audience that is less likely to be critical.

That is probably scarily true. How did it come to this.

Cause the features in this are the features that are needed to make this widely adoptable. Using the finger gestures instead of needing additional control hardware is key but expensive. Being able to switch between the virtual world and the real world seamlessly is key but expensive. The hope is that enough people hear about it and think it's cool that is forces the R&D to push down the price on this tech to be able to make it more widely accessible. Because without those kinds of features, AR/VR will always be niche.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by whynotminot »

akmarinov wrote: post #102
bilalq wrote: post #19

I do hope this is successful. The cult-like behavior that Apple inspires may be the big push needed to help VR become adopted by the general public. If it fails, then I'd be pessimistic that VR will have meaningful progression in the next decade.

This won't be successful, the $3500 price tag alone assures it. It will hopefully lead to something that's actually meant for end users, though.

What’s the definition of success for this product though? That’s what I’m having a hard time sussing out.

It’s not fair to compare to an iPhone.

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