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Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by mharig »

II2II wrote: post #63
JohnMakin wrote: post #4

Parents and caretakers have the ability to restrict children’s content on any device a child has access to. The burden should be on them to ensure their child is not consuming porn. It shouldn’t be everyone else’s problem that people are unwilling to parent their children.

> It shouldn't be everyone else's problem that people are unwilling to parent their children. There would be legal consequences if a child were to walk into a store and purchased age restricted products. It is because others are not allowed to interfere with the parenting of children. (Some, albeit not all, age restricted products allow for parental discretion rather than being an outright prohibition.) There are als…

When I was a child, there did not exist legally age restricted products in Germany. I do not know a single child who was harmed by the lack of regulation.

The world has become a crazy and disgusting shit.

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by Libcat99 »

JohnMakin wrote: post #4

Parents and caretakers have the ability to restrict children’s content on any device a child has access to. The burden should be on them to ensure their child is not consuming porn. It shouldn’t be everyone else’s problem that people are unwilling to parent their children.

Parental controls on devices suck, and are wildly ineffective.

I'm not in any way saying the solution is requiring uploading id or similar verification, but thinking parents can actually effectively control what their kids access is just plain wrong. Always has been.

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by hulitu »

Libcat99 wrote: post #153
JohnMakin wrote: post #4

Parents and caretakers have the ability to restrict children’s content on any device a child has access to. The burden should be on them to ensure their child is not consuming porn. It shouldn’t be everyone else’s problem that people are unwilling to parent their children.

Parental controls on devices suck, and are wildly ineffective. I'm not in any way saying the solution is requiring uploading id or similar verification, but thinking parents can actually effectively control what their kids access is just plain wrong. Always has been.

> Parental controls on devices suck, and are wildly ineffective.

Well, Microsoft Family Safety was very effective to not allow Firefox to run, although Edge ran fine. /s

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by hulitu »

times_trw wrote: post #29
JohnMakin wrote: post #4

Parents and caretakers have the ability to restrict children’s content on any device a child has access to. The burden should be on them to ensure their child is not consuming porn. It shouldn’t be everyone else’s problem that people are unwilling to parent their children.

And what about producing porn? Do we arrest the parent or the child when the child posts a picture of their genitals on insta-snap?

Both of them. Just to be sure. /s

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by hulitu »

huytersd wrote: post #86
JohnMakin wrote: post #4

Parents and caretakers have the ability to restrict children’s content on any device a child has access to. The burden should be on them to ensure their child is not consuming porn. It shouldn’t be everyone else’s problem that people are unwilling to parent their children.

No. That’s not a reasonable expectation. You can’t bombard children with insane content all the time and expect parents to continuously hover and prevent them from looking at it. There is not enough time in a day and makes parents the bad guys in a million different households.

> You can’t bombard children with insane content all the time

Why not ? Ads, wherever pervert, are ok. As long as they don't watch porn... /s

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by hulitu »

jstarfish wrote: post #133
NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, I mean, why should a parent even bother establishing candor, trust, and communication with their children when it is just soooo harrrrd, give up already!

You're playing at whatever the self-help equivalent of psychobabble is and are clearly not a parent, foster or otherwise. Most kids are self-centered, duplicitous sacks of bullshit. The social aspect of relationships is easily gamed and they know it. You don't know your child until you've seen their browser history (before they've had a chance to clear it). Take a peek sometime. I let my kids think I trust them, but…

> Most kids are self-centered, duplicitous sacks of bullshit

Trust must be gained.

> You don't know your child until you've seen their browser history

Are you sure ? This is like this MTV commercial when the child is watching porn when the parents enter the room, only to switch to MTV afterwards.

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by hulitu »

joe_g_young wrote: post #73
johannes1234321 wrote: post #70

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> What am I missing? You are missing, that many people in that space don't want to solve that specific problem * Some companies and their lobbies want to sell their products for filtering or whatever * Some people want to get rid of all sinful porn * Some want to block a lot more content for more people and need infrastructure * Some want to have further control Etc. "protecting the children" is often a good way to d…

The Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA) gives parents control over what information websites can collect from their kids. [ https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/privacy-security/child... ]. It requires explicit consent from the parents by entering a credit card as a form of ID or a video chat where the web platform confirms the adult is the parent or guardian

This didn't stopped Facebook, Microsoft, Google and Apple collecting data about the children, isn't it ?

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by dragonmost »

jstarfish wrote: post #129
dragonmost wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the kid is smart enough to get a "throwaway" device to circumvent parent supervision what makes you believe he won't be able to circumvent gouvernement internet oversight? Even China and North Korea can't prevent their citizens from doing so.

Prisoners acquire cellphones illegally. It doesn't mean we don't bother enforcing the rule because they can bypass it. We confiscate phones as discovered to disrupt those efforts. We love disruption around here, right? The point of this is to introduce friction. The goal is not 100% effectiveness and it's a strawman to suggest it is.

Banning cell phones from prisons doesn't affect law abiding citizen. Forcing ID check is a privacy scandal in the making for what I'm my opinion is the government taking decisions on behalf of parents. Just make a gouvernement sanctionned DNS with basic instruction how to set it up or let ISP set it up for you. Good old awareness and education.

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by harimau777 »

NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #124
harimau777 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that it's worth keeping in mind that that isn't always possible. For example, with foster children it is not unlikely that experience with previous parents have already given a child baggage that will make that strategy much less successful.

You're right, I mean, why should a parent even bother establishing candor, trust, and communication with their children when it is just soooo harrrrd, give up already!

I think you are missing the point. Certainly a parent has a moral obligation to work to build candor, trust, and communication. However, depending on the circumstances that effort may not be fully successful; which is why it might be useful to also have additional systems in place such as regulation on what media providers can provide to children.

In other words, my objection is not to your assertion that parents should work to develop trusting and respectful relationships with their children. Nor do I disagree that such relationships would go a long ways towards addressing media consumption. My disagreement is with the idea that it is always possible to be completely successful.

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