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Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by seydor »

haswell wrote: post #115
seydor wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

except quest 2 costs $300 and Q3 costs $500. And they already exist

It is not fair to compare the Quest devices, given what we know about the Vision Pro so far. The AR functionality on current-gen gaming headsets is terrible, and the screen door effect is glaringly obvious. What Apple is advertising blows the Oculus devices away. Whether the difference is worth the extra $3000 is a question that has yet to be answered, but it’s a category error to compare them directly.

Every functionality that i see in these videos already exists in Q3, but presumably in lower resolution. Is hardware going to be the differentiator that makes it so much more useful? It's also theoretical atm

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by 1shooner »

elicash wrote: post #39

While I don't plan to purchase one, I do feel a desire to buy an iPhone 15 Pro just so I can start capturing spatial video just in case this DOES succeed. I won't purchase one, because I'm always a few generations of iPhones behind, but the desire is there.

'Spatial video'? I guess this is just an Apple marketing term because they don't want to say 3D? Can you imagine how boring non-spatial video would be?

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by ActVen »

Has anyone seen a negative review from someone that has had a chance to try it a few times? All of the reviews I have seen have been pretty phenomenal. That is one of the reasons that I am looking to give it a try. If the UI and screen quality is so fantastic, it will be a great virtual screen for productivity and entertainment.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by devjab »

clarle wrote: post #117

I want this to be successful, but even as an iOS / macOS dev, I haven't seen enough really strong differentiation in Apple's dev offering so far that would make it so that someone would absolutely want to use VR for a non-gaming app compared to an app on iOS. There's some pretty great innovations there like how Spaces and gestures work, but they're more incremental improvements rather than anything that would really…

I’ve tried some work related VR goggles when our GIS department started using some for their drones. Maybe I’m just an old man yelling on my lawn, but I really don’t think I’ll ever want to put a screen on my head for anything other than novelty “fun”. I know some people like it, but for me it’s just annoying, so I do wonder if I’m in the minority or the majority thinking like this.

I think the idea of the “office less” office is great, but the annoyance of having something covering my head is just too great. Maybe the technology has evolved enough for it to be not annoying, but I wear glasses and even those I wish I didn’t have to wear.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by simonbarker87 »

satvikpendem wrote: post #89

The main issue I have with the Vision Pro is that Apple learned with the iPad what to do and what not to do when it comes to their customers, chiefly to have an app store that you could not install software outside of. Had the Mac been invented today, it surely would follow the same model, and the Vision Pro is very likely to be following such a model. If I can't use it to have my own applications, whatever they migh…

During the keynote I messaged a friend and said, "All I really want is to stream my Mac screen to it" .... and 60 seconds after I hit send, that's what they announced.

I really don't care about all the other stuff they tout right now, as no one really knows if that will be/is useful. But my Mac, in a headset, that is the beach head to build from.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by bluetomcat »

bombcar wrote: post #65
andrepd wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will pre-order a 3.5k device without even looking at what it is first? That's just inconceivable to me, maybe I'm just not rich enough?

In the view of a “hobby” it’s not that excessive- especially for the class of people likely to appear on HN. It’s the cost of a high end MacBook Pro, or a vacation to Paris, or about twelve days in an apartment in San Francisco :)

A high-end MBP is costly, but is generally seen as a workhorse that will serve you well for at least 3 years. Spending a similar amount of money for a gadget with a questionable purpose and quick obsolescence is certainly out of reach for the majority of people not living in the SF tech bubble.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by ladberg »

satvikpendem wrote: post #89

The main issue I have with the Vision Pro is that Apple learned with the iPad what to do and what not to do when it comes to their customers, chiefly to have an app store that you could not install software outside of. Had the Mac been invented today, it surely would follow the same model, and the Vision Pro is very likely to be following such a model. If I can't use it to have my own applications, whatever they migh…

> Do you know how Apple wants you to run a code editor on Vision Pro? That's right, own a Mac and literally stream the video output to the Vision Pro

Source for this? I could believe not wanting a compiler on Vision Pro for battery reasons, but I don't see a reason why something like Sublime Text or VSCode (w/wo Remote) won't be available.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by elicash »

bombcar wrote: post #73
elicash wrote: post #39

While I don't plan to purchase one, I do feel a desire to buy an iPhone 15 Pro just so I can start capturing spatial video just in case this DOES succeed. I won't purchase one, because I'm always a few generations of iPhones behind, but the desire is there.

From the accidental tech podcast accidental leaks from Vision Labs (you have to listen between the lines) you’re going to want much much more resolution than the 15 Pro does. Wait for the 16 or further, I’d say.

Fair, though I'm also getting married in April. I've considered renting one for a single day, if that's even possible, because once moments past you can't really get them back. It's the same for people with kids, you can wait and just capture through all our existing great cameras, but if spatial video is eventually a thing you'll wish you had that from when they were a certain age, too. Even if you don't have the viewing device anytime soon, you'll wish you had the capture later.

That said, I think a professional photographer will be more than enough. I'm just explaining the buying impulse that I have for capture.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by freeone3000 »

adastra22 wrote: post #121
bilalq wrote: post #19

I do hope this is successful. The cult-like behavior that Apple inspires may be the big push needed to help VR become adopted by the general public. If it fails, then I'd be pessimistic that VR will have meaningful progression in the next decade.

Serious question: why do you expect VR to take off with the general public? A decade into VR experiments, and nobody has come up with good non-gaming applications better than cartoony chat apps. It’s got a worse track record than blockchain.

Space is limited, screens are expensive and hard to transport, and people are more mobile than ever. Having your multi-monitor setup at a coffeeshop just as it is at home is a huge gain.

I’m not expecting this to replace monitors for most people now. But next monitor upgrade, if you already work on a Macbook, it might be a better option than an external display for some people.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

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Post by larme »

adastra22 wrote: post #112
satvikpendem wrote: post #89

The main issue I have with the Vision Pro is that Apple learned with the iPad what to do and what not to do when it comes to their customers, chiefly to have an app store that you could not install software outside of. Had the Mac been invented today, it surely would follow the same model, and the Vision Pro is very likely to be following such a model. If I can't use it to have my own applications, whatever they migh…

macOS does follow the same model now, in case you haven’t been paying attention. You can’t run unsigned binaries downloaded from the internet anymore.

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