Heat pump users noticing cheaper bills and warmer homes – study

Post by starbugs » Mon, Jan 08, 2024, 1:39 PM UTC

Thlom wrote: post #47

soco wrote: post #30

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5 years look for me highly unexpected. Can you please detail the pump type and whether you get subventions for it?

This number is more or less the same in Norway as well for air-to-air pumps without subsidies. Keep in mind that oil/gas heating and such is not normal, we've used electricity and firewood for heating for the most part. So replacing electric heaters with a heat pump will drastically reduce electricity costs, improve air quality and improve heating. Really a no brainer.

Post by acdha » Mon, Jan 08, 2024, 1:41 PM UTC

ghusto wrote: post #46

robertlagrant wrote: post #2

The headline doesn't match the article: of the three people interviewed, the first loved it, but taxpayers paid for hers. The second liked it, but doesn't know if he'll ever make the money back, and the third didn't like it.

Aren't they also inappropriate for showers, as in they can't heat the water fast enough for a hot shower? Feels like a poorly thought out panic solution here in the Netherlands, where they're saying they're going to shut off gas in n years (number keeps changing, because it's more of a scare tactic to get people moving).

Post by 2rsf » Mon, Jan 08, 2024, 1:48 PM UTC

krona wrote: post #5

I thought this was a new kind of air-source heat pump without all the problems of existing ones, but no, it's just a heat pump. Inappropriate for many (possibly most) dwellings in the UK, and the government is bribing people to install them. For what it's worth, I think systems like https://www.tepeo.com/the-zeb will eventually replace gas in the UK, not ASHPs. Similar technology is being trialled at some army barrac…

Post by dralley » Mon, Jan 08, 2024, 1:56 PM UTC

starbugs wrote: post #53

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #50

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I'm not sure whether your question is some kind of flippant accusation, but in case you're being genuine: I think the poster you quoted is saying something like: if I could afford to do the right thing for the planet, I would - but I cannot afford to and am forced to do something which I know is detrimental.

> kind of flippant accusation No. I rather meant to indicate that it might have been a good decision. There are some studies here from Germany that suggest that heat pump systems can lead to higher total CO2 emissions than using alternative systems. (I think it was compared to an infrared heating system with solar installed.) A high price of the hardware itself and the associated costs of installing and maintaining s…

Post by starbugs » Mon, Jan 08, 2024, 1:59 PM UTC

dralley wrote: post #67

starbugs wrote: post #53

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> kind of flippant accusation No. I rather meant to indicate that it might have been a good decision. There are some studies here from Germany that suggest that heat pump systems can lead to higher total CO2 emissions than using alternative systems. (I think it was compared to an infrared heating system with solar installed.) A high price of the hardware itself and the associated costs of installing and maintaining s…

> There are some studies here from Germany that suggest that heat pump systems can lead to higher total CO2 emissions than using alternative systems. Were these studies, or "studies" that were effectively marketing for Russian supplied gas, which until two years ago was a state level foreign policy goal, complete subsidies that advantaged fossil fuel heating and local politicians getting kickbacks from "interested pa…