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Re: The immediate victims of a con would rather act as if the con never happened

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Post by nwatson »

arcastroe wrote: post #114
reaperman wrote: post #77

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I have absolutely gotten legitimate phone calls from a sheriff/marshal in the stats of texas to let me know I had two warrants out for my arrest (failure to pay wrong left turn ticket, failure to show up at court for said ticket). I called him back at the published phone number for his division. He let me know he wasn't going to be bothered driving 45 minutes across the metro area to find me and arrest me, and if I j…

You get arrested for simple traffic ticket? That doesn't sound right. Usually you would just be unable to renew your car registration the following year until you pay said ticket.

Hmmm, when living in California I got a speeding ticket late night in Kingman, AZ, sent in a personal check, they only took money orders, I never followed up. It's been thirty years.

I visit family in Arizona frequently. I wonder whether statute of limitations has run out. I've been fortunate to not get pulled over so far. Maybe I do see gitmo in my near future after all.

Re: The immediate victims of a con would rather act as if the con never happened

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Post by akira2501 »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #87
akira2501 wrote: post #84

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> Shame and pride are such strong motivators. That's why they drill them into you in public school.

They don't need to drill in anything. Shame and pride are intrinsic human nature.

> Shame and pride are intrinsic human nature.

Why do you think this is true?

Re: The immediate victims of a con would rather act as if the con never happened

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Post by RulerOf »

pinkmuffinere wrote: post #110
MobileVet wrote: post #53

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This scam is pretty active right now. My brother in law was called 2 days prior and they called my wife again 2 days later… Rough scam script: - - hello, is this XYZ? - this is Officer Z, do you agree to abide by Judge ABC’s orders? - we have been trying to reach you by mail about this case. It has to do with a minor. - the judge has issued a gag order, do not talk with anyone about this - look up the number from the…

I had this exact same scam a couple months ago! I never figured out how they spoof the courthouse’s number though — any idea how they do that?

The sibling comment is correct, but to be a little more specific, when a carrier transmits a call into the phone system, one of the metadata fields in that transaction is the Caller ID of the calling party. It may sound asinine, but the infrastructure we've built for the PSTN basically requires it.

If you're interested in what's being done about it and the history of how it got this way, the STIR/SHAKEN wiki article has good details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STIR/SHAKEN

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Post by throwup238 »

anonym29 wrote: post #108
monktastic1 wrote: post #100

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That's insane. I hand-check my root certs at least twice a day.

When you're looking at the disk, do you use a handheld magnifying glass and go by sight, or are you running your fingers over the disk to feel the position of each electron?

I convert my root certs from digital to proteomic storage and inject it directly into my veins. I've programmed my immune system to go into total systemic shock if the certs have been compromised.

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Post by geraldhh »

aqfamnzc wrote: post #112
pinkmuffinere wrote: post #110

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I had this exact same scam a couple months ago! I never figured out how they spoof the courthouse’s number though — any idea how they do that?

I don't know the technical details, but as I understand it with today's infrastructure "caller's phone number" might as well be a free field where you can enter anything you like. There is no authentication or verification going on there

same as email from header

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Post by PoignardAzur »

scrubs wrote: post #11

Throughout the 1960s to the mid-1980s it used to fashionable because it was so helpful to reconstitute manufacturing corporate culture around a three axis orientation of quality through SPC, of customers, and profit. This was done to avoid the distortions that ruin companies in the medium and long term including bankruptcy, layoffs, junk products, and all the related human BS that comes with it: corporate politics, i…

I think this is what Robert Jackall refers to as "morall mazes", company cultures that are so far removed from practical reality and ethical behavior that it's impossible for a good-faith actor to navigate them.

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Post by lupusreal »

nneonneo wrote: post #68

The article calls out the reason why this happens in academia: administrators need to perform the thorough investigations even if things appear obvious in order to protect themselves against a lawsuit. See what’s happening with Francesca Gino for example: she’s suing Harvard and the four scientists who uncovered her fraud for $25 million, and you can bet that she would win (or at least make it very expensive for the…

Most of the people who have defended Claudine Gay are not administrators, and all of them had the option to simply stay silent if they were worried about getting sued. There is really no defense for the buffoons who defended her.

Re: The immediate victims of a con would rather act as if the con never happened

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Post by lupusreal »

harimau777 wrote: post #116
iraqmtpizza wrote: post #63

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Everything sounds great until you ask, what if someone wants to opt out?

That applies to capitalism as well. For example, if you opt out of recognizing private property (in this case, by private property I mean things like land as opposed to personal property like someone's house or car) people with guns will come and destroy your personal property and/or throw you in jail.

In capitalist systems, you and your buddies are free to opt out and sign over all your property to a commune. What you aren't free to do is rob other people who don't consent to your commune of their stuff. Because they have the right to not join you, this is the fundamental sticking point that makes communists (literally) murderously mad.

Re: The immediate victims of a con would rather act as if the con never happened

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Post by lupusreal »

KittenInABox wrote: post #9

Has anyone explored being the victim of a con and being a victim of other forms of abuse? For example, people who were beaten as children by their guardians also get angry when informed their guardians were abusive for doing so. People who get really upset when told their significant other is being controlling, manipulative, neglectful, etc.

People who's significant other isn't abusive would also get mad at you insisting they were (and rightfully so, if your accusation is wrong then what you're doing is gaslighting), so the other person getting mad doesn't mean that you are right.
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