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The immediate victims of a con would rather act as if the con never happened

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Re: The immediate victims of a con would rather act as if the con never happened

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Shame and pride are such strong motivators. My wife was taken by a very elaborate and well-crafted scam in November. In retrospect, it all sounds ridiculous... but in the moment, with kids in tow, it was very convincing. It was so traumatizing that when it was over and she finally realized it was a scam, she was relieved! They had convinced her she was going to jail and that was terrifying. Losing the money was less…

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Re: The immediate victims of a con would rather act as if the con never happened

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post #12

This reminds me of the legal marketing field, which is one in which I have some experience. Just look at the billboards along the highways in major US cities and you'll be reminded how horrendously competitive law is in the US (and it's becoming more and more competitive by the year - lawyers are everywhere and covid encouraged a bunch of college students to consider law school). I believe the vast majority of market…

My (very naive) thinking would be that lawyers are the worst demographic to con, since they have the skills and resources to try and make themselves whole again (at the expense of the conman), maybe with a few NDAs throw in for good measure. Is this not the case?

My naive thinking would be that a given lawyer would be either impossible to con, or ripe for the taking because they believe they’re impossible to con. I’d also guess that if you could manage to con a lawyer, they’d rather fall on a sword than admit they were swindled.

Re: The immediate victims of a con would rather act as if the con never happened

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Shame and pride are such strong motivators. My wife was taken by a very elaborate and well-crafted scam in November. In retrospect, it all sounds ridiculous... but in the moment, with kids in tow, it was very convincing. It was so traumatizing that when it was over and she finally realized it was a scam, she was relieved! They had convinced her she was going to jail and that was terrifying. Losing the money was less…

This scam is pretty active right now. My brother in law was called 2 days prior and they called my wife again 2 days later…

Rough scam script:

- - hello, is this XYZ? - this is Officer Z, do you agree to abide by Judge ABC’s orders? - we have been trying to reach you by mail about this case. It has to do with a minor. - the judge has issued a gag order, do not talk with anyone about this - look up the number from the phone, see I am really calling from the courthouse

== keep you on the phone, my wife actually didn’t pick up when I called in the midst of the scam and followed with a text ==

- someone committed a crime using your name, we don’t think it was you but because you didn’t respond to mail, there is a warrant for your arrest - you need to post bail - go withdraw money from the bank and bring it to the courthouse - where are you? The courthouse is closing - it’s getting late, use a 3rd party processor setup during Covid - go to grocery store, use a CoinStar machine - send money to phone number (using XLM currency)

Re: The immediate victims of a con would rather act as if the con never happened

#54
post #25

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I was listening to Joe Rogan interview David Blaine and he said there are plenty of card players where it’s literally undetectable the tricks they use, even with cameras everywhere. Makes me have no interest in playing card games with anyone but a few friends.

Oh, there's so many card manipulation tricks it's hilarious. I can false shuffle a deck, I can seed a deck through shuffles. I can false cut. Tricks with my hands to 'do nothing's with a deck even though it looks like I'm shuffling or cutting the deck. When we get to truly skilled magicians, they can perfect shuffle (IIRC, 8x rifle shuffles in a row with perfect precision returns the deck to it's original state). The…

That's why player behind dealer always cuts after dealer shuffled.

Re: The immediate victims of a con would rather act as if the con never happened

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post #40

Shame and pride are such strong motivators. My wife was taken by a very elaborate and well-crafted scam in November. In retrospect, it all sounds ridiculous... but in the moment, with kids in tow, it was very convincing. It was so traumatizing that when it was over and she finally realized it was a scam, she was relieved! They had convinced her she was going to jail and that was terrifying. Losing the money was less…

Is there anywhere we can read up on this scam?

I posted details in a reply to myself above

Re: The immediate victims of a con would rather act as if the con never happened

#57

Shame and pride are such strong motivators. My wife was taken by a very elaborate and well-crafted scam in November. In retrospect, it all sounds ridiculous... but in the moment, with kids in tow, it was very convincing. It was so traumatizing that when it was over and she finally realized it was a scam, she was relieved! They had convinced her she was going to jail and that was terrifying. Losing the money was less…

>The police don't call you if they are trying to serve a warrant, they show up.

But be aware that the converse isn't true: someone who shows up at your door claiming to be law enforcement with a warrant isn't necessarily legitimate. E.g.: https://madison.com/news/local/crime-courts/jack-mcquestion-...

Re: The immediate victims of a con would rather act as if the con never happened

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post #41

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> Russian Communist Party during the USSR Or during Putin. Here's another: Donald Trump's inner court.

How is that different then their oppositions ‘inner’ court?

Re: The immediate victims of a con would rather act as if the con never happened

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> The immediate victims of the con would rather act as if the con never happened. Instead, they’re mad at the outsiders who showed them that they were being fooled.

This is why getting cult members sane again is difficult, they would rather live in the denial of having been fooled and can go any length to reinforce that bias. Even killing family members or themselves.

This is also the reaction C-suite holds as you deliver rationally why their long thought plan won't work.

This is also why if you want to rise high in corporate you want to be the one not delivering bad news, ever.

People will just dislike you, it's stronger than them.

Re: The immediate victims of a con would rather act as if the con never happened

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russian Communist Party during the USSR Or during Putin. Here's another: Donald Trump's inner court.

How is that different then their oppositions ‘inner’ court?

Alignment with "my" 'inner' worldview.
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