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Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

doublepg23 wrote: post #169
louthy wrote: post #55

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> Installing Linux 22-years ago, when XP shipped, was hugely painful and only the most technical would attempt it. That’s still the case with Linux now. I did two recent Linux installs (different distros) and it’s still a nightmare of finding drivers, scripts, etc. to get everything setup. On one of my devices it still doesn’t recognise all the USB ports attached to the motherboard (but does recognise some), I just g…

The only "just working" OSes are Android and iOS/iPadOS.

> The only "just working" OSes are Android and iOS/iPadOS.

Ha! Try installing a newer version of one of these than the last one the device OEM supported.

"Doing this is so difficult that you should abandon all hope and give up immediately" is the same as "just works" in the same way that a car crusher is a good way to secure a computer.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by bee_rider »

dagmx wrote: post #160
exabrial wrote: post #127

I don't understand why people like XP so much. Windows 2000 was the ultimate OS: lean, fast, focused, and absolutely zero crapware installed. No stupid internet accounts needed to run your local OS and it did what it was supposed to do.

XP was likely the first memorable intro to windows for many developers in the home context. It was designed to be appealing to look at and a fresh coat of paint. By comparison, you’d be hard pressed to find a non-enthusiast who really remembers the differences between 95/98/ME/2000 because they largely looked similar. Unlike 2000, it was also aimed at home use. The prior home use system was ME which was also not very…

Plus, for those of us who were kids at the time, the fisher price ui was actually pretty nice.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by mixmastamyk »

exabrial wrote: post #127

I don't understand why people like XP so much. Windows 2000 was the ultimate OS: lean, fast, focused, and absolutely zero crapware installed. No stupid internet accounts needed to run your local OS and it did what it was supposed to do.

XP was 2001, aka 2000 with a few extra features. You could turn off the Fischer-price and turn on extensions with a few clicks. SP3 brought a decent, necessary firewall. Firefox supported it for years afterward.

No benefit to go earlier really.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by baz00 »

haunter wrote: post #60
baz00 wrote: post #42

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It used to be the OS I want. They cut the 10 years LT support to 5 years.

The IoT version (which is virtually the same as the non-IoT version) is supported for 10 years, currently until 2032. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot/iot-enterprise...

Rebuilding this turd with that. Thanks for the info :)

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by bee_rider »

1over137 wrote: post #50
sircastor wrote: post #6

One of the biggest challenges modern OS developers face (Apple and Microsoft namely) is how to make the new version of the OS appealing enough for users to move to. There are carrots like a fancy new feature, or sticks like “we’re not supporting this anymore, so if you want your computer to be secure you need to upgrade.” A lot of people don’t care about the carrots though. Their computer does everything they need it…

For Apple at least, why should it care if its users upgrade their OS? They don't even charge money for the OS (anymore).

I think Apple wants users to update their OS to help keep their security reputation.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by CharlesW »

1over137 wrote: post #208
CharlesW wrote: post #145

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They seem to care, with official macOS Sonoma support extending to devices sold in 2018. I suspect that high on the list of reasons is "services". According to https://www.statista.com/statistics/1101212/services-revenue... , Q4'23 services revenue accounted for almost 25 percent of the total.

"extending" to devices sold in 2018? That's not impressive, it's pathetic. It's an environmental crime really.

To clarify, that’s just for the newest macOS. Apple does security updates for older versions for several more years beyond that. I personally have a couple decade+ old Macs that continue to work fine.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by liquidpele »

SteveNuts wrote: post #146
Nextgrid wrote: post #61

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LTSC cuts down on the user-hostility but the quality of the OS is still terrible - it doesn't fix features that have intentionally been broken/removed/replaced by a half-assed knockoff. You still have the terrible/broken start menu search, useless mobile-themed control panel (which often doesn't have what you want so you end up falling back to the real control panel anyway), etc.

I recently had the pleasure of migrating a legacy server 2008 app to a brand new server 2022 box. One of the requirements is a local smtp server for sending mail so I looked up how to do this in windows. To my shock and horror, smtp service has been deprecated since server 2012, you can still install it but it comes with an extremely old version of IIS as a dependency and it’s broken out of the box. To get it working…

why the hell do you think that Microsoft would want you to use your basic SMTP server when they want you to use an exchange server? Of course they deprecated that. If you’re using windows then use their ecosystem.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by toyg »

diggan wrote: post #75
jessriedel wrote: post #33

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It's only $110. How do they discourage people from using it?

Last time I checked, you cannot purchase it as an individual, has to be as a business. And you cannot just purchase one license.

This is so stupid. Why leave money on the table? Do they really make more in ads per install than $110...? I doubt it.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by wkat4242 »

transcriptase wrote: post #22

Microsoft actually makes the version of Windows that people want, but it’s called LTSC and they really don’t want you to have it. No bloat, no ads, no forced or feature updates, optional security patches only, virtually nothing installed by default, and minimal telemetry.

It's not as great as it used to be. Yes it doesn't randomly reboot for updates and it doesn't come with all the crap. But it still enforces the same telemetry choices (a lot or a bit less). It even tried to make me use a Microsoft account just like regular windows :(

It's alright but not amazing like the old LTSB was in the days of Windows 7.

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