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Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by SteveNuts »

nextaccountic wrote: post #166
SteveNuts wrote: post #146

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I recently had the pleasure of migrating a legacy server 2008 app to a brand new server 2022 box. One of the requirements is a local smtp server for sending mail so I looked up how to do this in windows. To my shock and horror, smtp service has been deprecated since server 2012, you can still install it but it comes with an extremely old version of IIS as a dependency and it’s broken out of the box. To get it working…

why do you need a smtp server developed by microsoft? isn't windows compatible with a multitude of open source smtp servers?

You don’t, but why ship broken features at all?

If I can install something from the OS it shouldn’t come broken and insecure.

It just feels like such a strange platform to build a server on to me.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by nickjj »

bongodongobob wrote: post #45
swells34 wrote: post #4

Ya know, I've never had a Linux box that had any of the problems listed about modern windows. Also all the advantages listed about Windows XP are also present in Linux... But I've never paid Microsoft for an OS that showed me ads against my will in my Start Menu, so maybe I just don't know what I'm missing.

I'm coming off of an entire weekend spent trying to get acceptable latency for audio recording in Linux. Just a midi controller to play a simple 3x oscillator VST with better than 250ms latency was my test case. I tried different versions of Ubuntu, Debian, different kernels, different window managers, different graphics drivers, stripping things out of the system etc. After going down the rabbit hole, I finally ripp…

Did you happen to try Arch?

I only ask because I too had audio issues with Ubuntu LTS and Debian (both stable and unstable in hopes to get newer packages) in the past. I never got past the problems I had so I reverted back to Windows but if I go down that rabbit hole again I'd likely try Arch just to see what happens.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by Macha »

louthy wrote: post #117
Macha wrote: post #105

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They would also be overwhelmed by the average Windows install if they had to perform it themselves. However, these days you can get laptops with Linux preinstalled, even from mainstream OEMs like Dell or HP.

I dunno, installing Windows from scratch is still pretty slick. You don't normally end up having to do extra work to get basic things like Bluetooth working, or whatever. Pre-installed Linux laptops is great - and is clearly the way to get someone less techy on-the-way . But, for most, if they're sick of Windows and they want to move (dual boot their machine) then god help them. Linux is much better than it was, for…

> I dunno, installing Windows from scratch is still pretty slick. You don't normally end up having to do extra work to get basic things like Bluetooth working, or whatever.

I have to wonder what hardware and distros you're using, as the most dominant vendors (Intel, Realtek) work out of the box on the major distros. Or are you recalling experiences from 15 years ago with ndiswrapper and older Broadcom devices still?

The difficulty of dual boot is to do with something being already there. Already Ubuntu etc. have installers that will do repartitioning for you intelligently. Windows by comparison will just pave over whats there if you let it do the happy path and if you want to set up dual boot, requires as much knowledge about resizing partitions.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by jaktet »

ewzimm wrote: post #196
jaktet wrote: post #76

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I haven’t gone looking yet but is there a tool to make sure you have all tracking, bing, IE, and anything else like that turned off, uninstalled, or disabled? I usually just go through it as I see things that annoy me but I’m probably missing some privacy and default overrides.

This one is my favorite. Just a series of switches. Run it after a large update. https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

Awesome thank you!

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by recursive »

Almondsetat wrote: post #119
recursive wrote: post #113

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I don't think this necessarily represents obsession. It just means they care about gaming at least as much "kernel level monitoring". As a baseline, I don't think there are many people who care much about that. I'm not sure what it is.

Transpose this gaming obsession to other facets of life and see how it goes. Imagine if most cars were modeled after Lamborghinis and people complained about the lack of turbo or carbon seats when hopping on your Honda Civic. Imagine if most parks were modeled after football fields and people complained about the lack of goals and lines in your backyard. Imagine if most knifes were modeled after big damascus blades a…

I'm having trouble understanding the metaphor. If someone went to a park for the purpose of playing football, surely the lack of lines would make them prefer other parks.

If someone is trying to set a lap record, a Camry probably isn't a good choice either. Still works well for getting groceries though.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by mrweasel »

dagmx wrote: post #200
mrweasel wrote: post #188

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> Windows 2000 wasn’t the version before Windows XP for most people though. That's probably a fair observation. Windows 2000 came out before Windows ME, so it you had just a slight interest in computers, you'd try it out and after that Windows 98 and even ME felt like a downgrade, so you'd stay on 2000. I remember getting an beta release of Windows 2000 in late December 1999 and that was basically it, every other ver…

Yeah though that was also the period before wide spread internet use, and when operating systems cost significant money to upgrade to . 2000 was $319, or over $500 today. That’s more than the cost of a full console or even some PCs. So you’d REALLY have to be into the OS scene to look it up, or care enough to buy it.

> or care enough to buy it.

Yeaah, we didn't necessarily pay back then.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

flashback2199 wrote: post #70
frabjoused wrote: post #31

Nostalgia aside, this isn’t actually better. The animations alone would be enough to drop most users after an hour.

This, and too much padding/margin

Those were egregiously huge. Part of my rose tinted glasses about past UI systems was the information density. Now everything fetishes “clean” interfaces with minimal controls.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by 1over137 »

CharlesW wrote: post #145
1over137 wrote: post #50

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For Apple at least, why should it care if its users upgrade their OS? They don't even charge money for the OS (anymore).

They seem to care, with official macOS Sonoma support extending to devices sold in 2018. I suspect that high on the list of reasons is "services". According to https://www.statista.com/statistics/1101212/services-revenue... , Q4'23 services revenue accounted for almost 25 percent of the total.

"extending" to devices sold in 2018? That's not impressive, it's pathetic. It's an environmental crime really.

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Post by fellowniusmonk »

dagmx wrote: post #181
mrweasel wrote: post #170

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> 95/98/ME/2000 because they largely looked similar. That was a feature, for me it was 95, 98, NT4, Windows 2000 then it all started falling apart and Linux and MacOSX because the more attractive alternatives. For those who don't remember, we used to call the Windows XP UI the "Fisher Price" UI. It was the first dumbed down Windows UI. I'd agree, the nostalgia for Windows XP is misplaced, when the version before that…

Windows 2000 wasn’t the version before Windows XP for most people though. It was Windows ME. Most people would not have experienced 2000. Windows 2000 was the last of the separate business targeted operating systems. Therefore I’d argue the nostalgia isn’t misplaced because most people under 45 just couldn’t have the nostalgia for 2000 to begin with. XP unified the two lines into one OS with multiple SKUs instead of…

I was 15 doing local tech support and network admin for small businesses. Windows ME was a pile of memory leaking trash, constant BSODs, reboots multiple times a day, it was an unbelievably hostile OS with piss poor performance. 98se was so much better than ME it's a joke. 2000 was what I ran personally until XP stopped sucking (which if memory serves was with service pack 2.)

Being from that era of IE 5.5 and 6 I still don't understand how a person could ever trust Micro$oft, or use their tooling with anything but reluctance, their corporate culture hasn't changed a bit as far as I can tell. The poster child for mundane corporatist evil.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by olddustytrail »

pjmlp wrote: post #199
olddustytrail wrote: post #174

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Yeah, by now we all know about your personal issues with Linus, we don't need to hear it on every single thread.

Like the personal issues Linux fanboys have with Microsoft, Apple and Google? Threads are written not spoken, if you don't want to read them press PgDn.

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