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Re: Show HN: I made an app that consolidated 18 apps (doc, sheet, form, site, chat…)

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Post by sgarland »

winrid wrote: post #126
sgarland wrote: post #108

Single biggest thing you need to nail down fast: the data model. It is extremely hard to shift as things grow, and without careful thought, it’ll turn into a horrifying miasma of JSONB columns, duplicated data, orphaned rows, and garbage performance. Customers are going to store surprisingly large items in Docs, where you’d be tempted to inline them instead of offloading to S3 et al. Chat practically needs to be its…

He's most likely using SQLite per account, because that's the easiest way to have an offline DB and sync it, which will most likely scale perfectly fine with appropriate indexes as long as you are careful about the feature set.

That introduces a new problem when it syncs to others in the same workspace, if it’s large.

Re: Show HN: I made an app that consolidated 18 apps (doc, sheet, form, site, chat…)

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Post by j45 »

This is really impressive.

Please keep in mind all feedback here in context with whether they have shipped anything this broad and through on their own.

2 questions:

- I like what you have said about E2EE, is there any chance the implementation could become zero knowledge encryption?

- There likely may be interest in the world where users will pay to be able to self host this, while you can continue to maintain and develop

Re: Show HN: I made an app that consolidated 18 apps (doc, sheet, form, site, chat…)

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Post by feel-ix-343 »

d3w4s9 wrote: post #121

This is not the first product of the kind and won't be the last one. And they look great in theory but get complicated and very confusing and ultimately never find their place. People don't need an integrated tool that does everything. People need a few very good tools that work well with each other. Confluence/Jira is such an example, and to some extent Google's suite and Microsoft's, plus a few more. Unless you can…

Personally, I use neovim and markdown for everything.

Re: Show HN: I made an app that consolidated 18 apps (doc, sheet, form, site, chat…)

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Post by exhaze »

d3w4s9 wrote: post #121

This is not the first product of the kind and won't be the last one. And they look great in theory but get complicated and very confusing and ultimately never find their place. People don't need an integrated tool that does everything. People need a few very good tools that work well with each other. Confluence/Jira is such an example, and to some extent Google's suite and Microsoft's, plus a few more. Unless you can…

You’re describing Unix philosophy basically, right? While I like it I think it doesn’t scale past certain point - think about cases like companies finding they have trouble maintaining a system made up of tons of bash scripts (most config driven systems e.g. CIs fall into this).

Same applies to SaaS IMO.

> ultimately never find their place

Here’s a few counter examples: - Clickup - Notion - Datadog - Amplitude

I feel like they have found their place quite well.

In fact there’s an industry trend in 2020s of SaaS consolidation over to “vertical SaaS” that just does everything in one tool.

Happy to be proven wrong and hear some counter examples btw, this is just my theory based on what I’ve observed in b2b saas world over past 10ish years

Re: Show HN: I made an app that consolidated 18 apps (doc, sheet, form, site, chat…)

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Post by japanman185 »

sgarland wrote: post #108

Single biggest thing you need to nail down fast: the data model. It is extremely hard to shift as things grow, and without careful thought, it’ll turn into a horrifying miasma of JSONB columns, duplicated data, orphaned rows, and garbage performance. Customers are going to store surprisingly large items in Docs, where you’d be tempted to inline them instead of offloading to S3 et al. Chat practically needs to be its…

No one cares about that. Export to open document format or microsoft. You are living in a bubble of “hackers”. You are not your average user.

Case in point of “engineers are not product people”

Re: Show HN: I made an app that consolidated 18 apps (doc, sheet, form, site, chat…)

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Post by sgarland »

japanman185 wrote: post #136
sgarland wrote: post #108

Single biggest thing you need to nail down fast: the data model. It is extremely hard to shift as things grow, and without careful thought, it’ll turn into a horrifying miasma of JSONB columns, duplicated data, orphaned rows, and garbage performance. Customers are going to store surprisingly large items in Docs, where you’d be tempted to inline them instead of offloading to S3 et al. Chat practically needs to be its…

No one cares about that. Export to open document format or microsoft. You are living in a bubble of “hackers”. You are not your average user. Case in point of “engineers are not product people”

Product sell lies to customers that engineering struggles to produce, because reality is a harsh mistress.

Re: Show HN: I made an app that consolidated 18 apps (doc, sheet, form, site, chat…)

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Post by gegtik »

sgarland wrote: post #138
japanman185 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one cares about that. Export to open document format or microsoft. You are living in a bubble of “hackers”. You are not your average user. Case in point of “engineers are not product people”

Product sell lies to customers that engineering struggles to produce, because reality is a harsh mistress.

if you can dream it, you can type it into a chatgpt text prompt!
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