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True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by xdennis »

threeseed wrote: post #35
blairbeckwith wrote: post #4

> New research by Mastercard across 16 countries in North America and Europe revealed that 59% of people who identity as nonbinary say they feel unsafe while shopping We should do what we can to make life easier for everyone, but we should stop encouraging and accommodating this “everything makes me feel unsafe” attitude. It harms everyone when we redefine safety to include awkwardness or very minor psychological dis…

> It harms everyone How is allowing someone to use a different name harmful to everyone ?

You're being disingenuous. This is the quote:

> It harms everyone when we redefine safety

He is saying it harms everyone when being called by the name you don't want is redefined as unsafe because it makes it difficult to differentiate between significant issues.

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by kefka_p »

crotchfire wrote: post #58
namdnay wrote: post #12

Not living in north america, there's something i must be missing - who looks at the name on a credit card? who even touches your credit card anymore? in europe and uk you're either contactless or you're given the terminal to enter your card yourself, and I'm 99% certain the "name" that is written on the card never comes up on screen

> who looks at the name on a credit card? Hotels. All of them.

Car rental agencies and airlines come to mind as well. I was almost unable to purchase a ticket for my better half after we got married as we were slow to process paperwork for name changes on our credit cards. We were able to clear the matter up, with some effort, but …

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by namdnay »

crotchfire wrote: post #58
namdnay wrote: post #12

Not living in north america, there's something i must be missing - who looks at the name on a credit card? who even touches your credit card anymore? in europe and uk you're either contactless or you're given the terminal to enter your card yourself, and I'm 99% certain the "name" that is written on the card never comes up on screen

> who looks at the name on a credit card? Hotels. All of them.

really? do they still copy the details with a carbon machine? here they'll just ask you to put it in the chip&pin machine and authorise the deposit

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by andix »

alistairSH wrote: post #56
namdnay wrote: post #12

Not living in north america, there's something i must be missing - who looks at the name on a credit card? who even touches your credit card anymore? in europe and uk you're either contactless or you're given the terminal to enter your card yourself, and I'm 99% certain the "name" that is written on the card never comes up on screen

American banking (including point-of-sale and credit cards) is largely a decade behind Western Europe. But, apart from restaurants (which continue to inexplicably swipe cards out of sight), most major retailers use chip/pin or chip/signature (and the sig is only ever checked if the salesperson feels a need, which is rare).

"swiping" in context of using the magnetic strip on the card? Most European cards have this kind of payment disabled by default.

But how do you enter the PIN in those cases? We used to have the option to authorize payments with signature until a few years ago. But I think those cards completely vanished now.

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

uxp8u61q wrote: post #55
blairbeckwith wrote: post #4

> New research by Mastercard across 16 countries in North America and Europe revealed that 59% of people who identity as nonbinary say they feel unsafe while shopping We should do what we can to make life easier for everyone, but we should stop encouraging and accommodating this “everything makes me feel unsafe” attitude. It harms everyone when we redefine safety to include awkwardness or very minor psychological dis…

Step 1. Go to google news or whatever news aggregation website you want. Step 2. Search for "transgender attack". Step 3. Take some time to digest the horrible news you're reading. Step 4. Try to figure out the common thread between these stories. The people in question usually get outed in public during some kind of ID check, and got jumped by some intolerant moron who witnessed it. This is happening. Today. Includi…

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Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by emptybits »

> “Reynolds hasn’t changed their own name legally because they say it’s a cumbersome process that they’re not ready to tackle.”

“Cumbersome” seems like a low bar, considering how beneficial it would be for one’s desired name to match their legal name. That’s gotta be more useful than a credit card name, no? Just do the work?

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by namdnay »

uxp8u61q wrote: post #55
blairbeckwith wrote: post #4

> New research by Mastercard across 16 countries in North America and Europe revealed that 59% of people who identity as nonbinary say they feel unsafe while shopping We should do what we can to make life easier for everyone, but we should stop encouraging and accommodating this “everything makes me feel unsafe” attitude. It harms everyone when we redefine safety to include awkwardness or very minor psychological dis…

Step 1. Go to google news or whatever news aggregation website you want. Step 2. Search for "transgender attack". Step 3. Take some time to digest the horrible news you're reading. Step 4. Try to figure out the common thread between these stories. The people in question usually get outed in public during some kind of ID check, and got jumped by some intolerant moron who witnessed it. This is happening. Today. Includi…

in that case it's an argument for getting the name change done properly right from the start, right? i don't think having a different name on your mastercard is a solution here (especially since choosing "mx" as a prefix is hardly keeping things secret..)

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by nilespotter »

snotrockets wrote: post #60
sokoloff wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, but does having another name on the credit card actually address this genuine problem? (I think people should be able to use their chosen name on their credit card; I think that adds comfort to their regular interactions and daily life; I just don’t think it will act as an Uno Reverse card against someone prone to bigotry against them.)

Yes. Some of us like to imagine trans* people as those drag like personas, a clownish caricatures of their genders. This isn't the case though: most are just, you know, people. You wouldn't know they are trans*, except for their name. And unlike that Johnny Cash song, being a boy named Sue doesn't build character. It just makes your life miserable.

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