True Name – Mastercard (2022) • Hacker News Board

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by namdnay » Sun, Jan 07, 2024, 4:50 PM UTC

toothrot wrote: post #14

blairbeckwith wrote: post #4

> New research by Mastercard across 16 countries in North America and Europe revealed that 59% of people who identity as nonbinary say they feel unsafe while shopping We should do what we can to make life easier for everyone, but we should stop encouraging and accommodating this “everything makes me feel unsafe” attitude. It harms everyone when we redefine safety to include awkwardness or very minor psychological dis…

If it were only a very minor psychological discomfort, you'd be right. Unfortunately, other clientele in the store may harass you and follow you out of the store. As someone who has been on the receiving end of incredibly violent threats, being able to not be outed publicly is critical to everyday safety for trans people.

i thought the minor discomfort being referred to was that of changing your name and reissuing a new ID card. i can definitely understand how it would get grating to explain the change at every security check

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by BSDobelix » Sun, Jan 07, 2024, 4:50 PM UTC

True Name TM.....

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by tiffanyh » Sun, Jan 07, 2024, 4:50 PM UTC

(2022)

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by paulpauper » Sun, Jan 07, 2024, 4:50 PM UTC

New research by Mastercard across 16 countries in North America and Europe revealed that 59% of people who identity as nonbinary say they feel unsafe while shopping

what about the control group

For Emme Reynolds of Ottawa, credit and debit cards also carry with them a certain amount of stress because they’re just another opportunity in one’s day to be “deadnamed” or misgendered. “It’s wild to see how many times in a day your old name can pop up,” they say. “It’s exhausting to see the name and to be misgendered.”

really? and not hidden fees or card being lost? debit cards should be avoided if possible. no buyer protection

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by contravariant » Sun, Jan 07, 2024, 4:50 PM UTC

Sounds like a good thing, though I can't help but feel that this is a workaround for the real issue. Because frankly it shouldn't have to be that hard to get the official documentation correct.

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by teeray » Sun, Jan 07, 2024, 4:50 PM UTC

gruez wrote: post #5

>When Asher DiGiuseppe tried to make a purchase at his local Toronto liquor store, the clerk looked at him with suspicion and questioned his card, which was still printed with the name he had used before transitioning. >[...] New research by Mastercard across 16 countries in North America and Europe revealed that 59% of people who identity as nonbinary say they feel unsafe while shopping, and 57% say they think it’s…

> Is this a serious issue?

A bigoted store clerk might decide to apply different standards to trans people, to find a way to kick them out of the store. So yeah, my experience is similar to yours, but I don’t doubt that credit card names could be weaponized against trans people.

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by madeofpalk » Sun, Jan 07, 2024, 4:51 PM UTC

Incredibly minor, but I dislike that my Amex card has “Mr Initial LastName” on it, or worse, my full government name rather than the shortened name that I consistently go by everywhere else.

Thankfully my bank card from a UK bank just allows you to print your preferred name on your card.

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by cyanydeez » Sun, Jan 07, 2024, 4:51 PM UTC

ttymck wrote: post #19

blairbeckwith wrote: post #4

> New research by Mastercard across 16 countries in North America and Europe revealed that 59% of people who identity as nonbinary say they feel unsafe while shopping We should do what we can to make life easier for everyone, but we should stop encouraging and accommodating this “everything makes me feel unsafe” attitude. It harms everyone when we redefine safety to include awkwardness or very minor psychological dis…

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Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by ksjskskskkk » Sun, Jan 07, 2024, 4:51 PM UTC

laudable, but meaningless since they are also moving to biometrics such as fingerprints and palm scanners (against every single security advisory). and stores are moving to cashier-less automation.

Re: True Name – Mastercard (2022)

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Post by toothrot » Sun, Jan 07, 2024, 4:52 PM UTC

It seems like people in this thread are unaware of the very real threats, harassment, and assaults that happen as a trans person in public. Using a name that matches your gender identity is important for both psychological safety, as well as avoiding being outed and threatened by others in public.

Laws in different states can make changing your legal name incredibly complicated and time consuming. Having an easy process to avoid some daily danger is wonderful for trans people, regardless of the motivation from MasterCard.