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I’ve heard variations on this story a few times, successful company swallows failing company and gets infected by failing-culture. Isn’t that what happened to Netscape?

Google bought DoubleClick in 2008. Pretty much everything they started after that point has failed because the focus has been on selling ads rather than building something normal people enjoy using.

Not a good example. Google reinterviewed every DoubleClick employee and fired half of them.

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Good book describing the cultural change from engineering-focus to business-focus of Boeing: * https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/55994102-flying-blind * https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/646497/flying-blind...

A friend of mine works in Boeing as a data scientist. His team has 10 people. Two of them can write code for analytics and models. The other 8 "manage projects", whatever that means. They spend their days creating processes, managing tickets, enforcing specific formats of tickets and stories and what not. Yet, none of the eight knew how to write product specs nor could be bothered with basic things like understanding…

I find this genuinely incomprehensible. I have never encountered a single person who was not technically proficient in the team’s tasks across the 10 years of my hodgepodge career in a variety of semi-independent small teams and currently a small business.

Small teams don’t have the margin for non technical folk. It often falls on people like me to become, temporarily, the admin or become the GIS department as such things are needed.

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Boeings breaking up is how we got here.

I know we're not supposed to be funny on this website. But that just broke me up.

Humor is fine here, it just has to be actually funny - no tired memes or chains of replies or that sort of thing.

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No one said they got a vote, snark unnecessary.

So why would the public opinion even matter. I'm confused by your original point. No one picks a flight based on what plane takes them there. Its Departure/destination/time/price/connections.

There are a number of comments in this very thread that show that isn’t true

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> Weird how you can be a "key manufacturer" yet "go bankrupt." We massively drew down defence spending at the end of the Cold War.

I almost couldn’t believe this statement so I looked it up. Sure enough you’re correct. As a factor of GDP, it dropped by about half. Incidentally, however, as a factor of gdp, it had gone down 50% since the Korean War before that too. I think all this means is that military spending isn’t outpacing gdp growth (a good thing) rather than we’re actually cutting spending.

Actually, spending was cut in an absolute sense as well, especially if you factor in inflation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_...

But it is - obviously - on the rise right now.

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Back in 2019, I made a lil microsite covering the 737 MAX groundings. Didn't think I'd have to update it again. https://www.isthe737maxstillgrounded.com/

It's chilling that both Alaska knew of pressurization issues in prior flights in this aircraft, and Boeing was already trying to get the FAA to look past known safety issues in the 737 MAX 7 certification. "Safety is our top priority"? Ha, absolutely not.

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How was MDD going bankrupt Boeings problem? If it’s a national security issue, that’s the governments problem to fix, surely?

Boeing is in its position only because of a close relationship with government. They didn't get rich because of their brains. They will do anything for government to maintain the current benefits.

They did get rich because of their brains. But they then replaced those brains with accountants and since then it is a steady downward trajectory, which if it were any other company would likely result in controlled descent into terrain.

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787 program: - designed to outsource most manufacturing to the lowest bidder, many program management problems, overruns and delays - to bust unions new factory was created in South Carolina and this has very poor QC, there are rumors that a certain large middle eastern airline refuses to accept any planes assembled there 737 program: - they decided that they are not going to do a clean sheet 737NG and use the existi…

It's safer to have a new airplane design behave like the old one. There have been many crashes due a pilot being stressed and automatically doing something that would have been right on a previous airplane he was familiar with, but which was wrong for the current airplane he is flying. All jet airliners are aerodynamically unstable and use active controls to "paper over" that. There is nothing inherently wrong with d…

I don't think it's worth relitigating MCAS here but your analysis here is very generous to Boeing and harsh to the pilots who where unwitting test pilots in Boeing's mistake.

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A friend of mine works in Boeing as a data scientist. His team has 10 people. Two of them can write code for analytics and models. The other 8 "manage projects", whatever that means. They spend their days creating processes, managing tickets, enforcing specific formats of tickets and stories and what not. Yet, none of the eight knew how to write product specs nor could be bothered with basic things like understanding…

Been there. It's half bad if the "managers" can swallow their ego and let developers lead while only just keeping an eye on any potential troubles. At many big corporations these "management" hires are just political. To fill in the certain quotas and tick the boxes. Problems starts if they put their egos first. Then talented staff quit and projects go down the pan.

And BTW, we have a market mechanism for this: bankruptcy. Preferably restructuring, not liquidating, though both are useful. Just leave the job and maybe one day the whole thing gets rewired.

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I'm just going to leave you with this frightening quote: "They said there was a kid in that row who had his shirt was sucked off him and out of the plane and his mother was holding onto him to make sure he didn't go with it." Shirt sucked off him. Mother was holding onto him. Oh hello, a thousand nightmares of my youth.

I suppose after that you’ll be either absolutely unafraid of planes or never go on one with a shirt again.

Wear your seat belt while in the seat.
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