They had a loose rudder bolt issue literally 8 days ago.
https://en.swissquote.ae/newsroom/research/morning-news/2023...
FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s
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Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s
#422One troubling aspect of this is that it appears Alaska had reason to believe something was wrong with this plane but basically ignored it. They were getting pressurization warnings on prior flights, but the only action they took was restricting the plane from flying ETOPS routes. They're the dominant carrier in my area, so these sorts of screwups make me nervous. I can't easily avoid using them without a fair amount…
Alaskan Airlines is notorious for taking maintenance shortcuts, this is likely not an inherent problem with the airframe but rather this operators SOP.
Alaskan Airline flight 261 is one example.
> The subsequent investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) determined that inadequate maintenance led to excessive wear and eventual failure of a critical flight control system during flight.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Airlines_Flight_261
Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s
#423Earlier quoted context omitted.
> safest airliner ever built ... very low production numbers If one model has 5 million flight hours and zero crashes, and another model has 500 million flight hours and 50 crashes, is it possible to say which model is safer?
The point in the outer comment was that the 737NG has both many flight hours and ... if I skimmed Wikipedia correctly, only 1 mechanically-attributed fatality. For reference, the most-produced passenger/cargo aircraft: 16K Douglas DC-3 (1935) 11K Boeing 737 family: 1K Original (1967) 2K Classic (1984) 7K NG (1998) 1K MAX (2016) 11K Airbus A320 family (1988) Different sources give oddly different numbers (more than I…
its actually kind of crazy how much military planes where produces during world war 2.
Look at this list[0]: the soviet IL-2 plane has produced more planes the the entire list of planes mentioned above over a period of 4 years!
That is just one type of plane, for one country during a very short period..
0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-produced_aircraft
Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s
#424Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is the argument here that it's more economically viable to run a plane building company whose planes accidentally falls out of the sky? Naively, it would seem to me to be a bad business decision to design aero planes that can't fly, but what do I know.
> it's more economically viable to run a plane building company whose planes accidentally falls out of the sky? Business school may say if your product never fails perhaps you are overspending on it and some known small failure rate is acceptable to control costs to have better profits. Boeing leadership may have took that logic and applied it to airplanes.
Is that argument wrong? If it isn't, then you've successfully identified capitalism as the problem. I'm all for anti-capitalism, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect that to start with Boeing.
This is not a problem of "pointy haired MBA's", we can either fix this within the current regime by imposing heavy fines on this sort of reckless behavior, or we can tear down the current regime and replace it with communism/fascism/monarchy/whatever. In the system we are currently in, what happened at Boeing looks to be "correct", in the sense that it's what the system incentivizes.
Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s
#425Good book describing the cultural change from engineering-focus to business-focus of Boeing: * https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/55994102-flying-blind * https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/646497/flying-blind...
A friend of mine works in Boeing as a data scientist. His team has 10 people. Two of them can write code for analytics and models. The other 8 "manage projects", whatever that means. They spend their days creating processes, managing tickets, enforcing specific formats of tickets and stories and what not. Yet, none of the eight knew how to write product specs nor could be bothered with basic things like understanding…
Been there. It's half bad if the "managers" can swallow their ego and let developers lead while only just keeping an eye on any potential troubles.
At many big corporations these "management" hires are just political. To fill in the certain quotas and tick the boxes.
Problems starts if they put their egos first. Then talented staff quit and projects go down the pan.
Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s
#426Looks like I have to stop making jokes about Scarebus. Boeing quality has been in a steady decline since the McDonnell-Douglas merger.
Scarebus? You mean “Boeing 737 sMAX into the ground sometimes?”
Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s
#427Interesting timeline. Following the two fatal crashes involving the MCAS system and the 737 Max … The FAA gave Boeing until Dec of 2022 to implement a fix. The fix was to reconfigure the 737 Max with 2 sensors (instead of one) and include an manual shutoff Guess what happened? Boeing didn’t fix anything.. instead they cried to congress that the fix is too expensive and they cannot get it done. So what happens is cong…
Any kind of law that mentions a company by name should be automatically rejected, unless it is to add more limitations based on past (bad) performance and then only to document the reason the law exists, never to provide exemptions.
Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s
#428Earlier quoted context omitted.
After the unfortunate incident in Japan this week, the Boeing 787, a plane designed in the 2000s and flying since 2013, is now the only passenger airliner without a hull loss. So they are clearly capable of producing modern safe airliners post merger.
There was an engineer who got fired for worrying publicly about the fire safety of the carbon fiber hulls during the 787 leadup. It turned out I worked in the same building he had, and I found his old office. Word is after he left they locked it up, like a crime scene. I think they were worried his whistleblowing would turn to leaks and I guess they thought his office would have some sort of evidence? It was an inter…
> Word is after he left they locked it up, like a crime scene. I think they were worried his whistleblowing would turn to leaks and I guess they thought his office would have some sort of evidence?
If Boeing did clear it out, they'd be open to charges of doing a coverup. The smart thing to do is lock it up as is.
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#429Earlier quoted context omitted.
The public wants it to be an aerospace engineer.
The public don't get a vote, companies aren't a democracy.
Perhaps we shouldn’t consider this country a democracy when so much of our lives today are ungoverned by undemocratic institutions (corporations in this case). Can you feel the representation?
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#430Earlier quoted context omitted.
Embraer, the Brazilian-made aircraft. They're being replaced with Airbus A220s, which was called a Bombardier CSeries before Airbus bought Bombardier's airliner division.
(Embraer) which Boeing tried buying but the deal was reverted due to the failure of the 737-max..
Wait, what? How did that caused the deal to fall apart?
(I was actually under the impression this acquisition had happened until a few minutes ago)