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FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by mnbion »

Most Airbus manufacturing happens in or near big cities like Toulouse, Hamburg, and Seville. These cities have plenty of engineering talent and plenty of colleges, universities, and other companies creating and nurturing this talent.

Meanwhile most Boeing manufacturing seems to be taking place in rural areas (or "flyover states" as you Americans put it). This is of course because of the local and state subsidies that Boeing is getting to create jobs. The question is if the lack of engineering talent in these rural areas is beginning to show its face.

Even in my tiny country (Denmark) there is significant decrease in quality of engineering talent outside the tier 1 cities.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by halJordan »

nharada wrote: post #50

Juan Browne's YouTube channel posts about basically every aviation accident, and as usual he somehow already has a video about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9EvHpf8jZg

The chick's tiktok went viral immediately. And fast followers were already posting tiktoks with pictures of the actual plane, breakdowns of how door plugs are made, etc.

You just have to go where the content is. Reuters has been sending journalists across the world for over 100 years. You just have to dl tiktok.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by coredog64 »

einpoklum wrote: post #253

I realize it might not be fair to ask right at this moment, but: How come Boeing hasn't produced a clean-sheet-design replacement for the 737, despite its extreme age? I mean, since its design, the 747, 757 and 767 have come and gone, variants and all, no production continuing. Why the endless adaptations of this old thing: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Boeing_7... ?

Because Southwest Airlines won’t let them.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by jethro_tell »

jaybrendansmith wrote: post #178
cinntaile wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well clearly the McD people were more skilled politicians.

This is exactly it. The skilled politicians are the reason why the company failed in the first place. They then take over the acquiring company from within like a virus and destroy that next. Rule of thumb: If a company is failing and you purchase it, fire everybody. Either the culture or the people are poison, and they will infect you.

We just had a close call with this where I work. Bought a company, because they were failing and being crushed under their own weight. Somehow they convinced the management at my company that they knew the path forward and we've been in complete gridlock trying to get anything done for a couple years, eventually they hired outside management for the company we bought, set clear KPIs which they failed to deliver on (in some cases failing to even attempt to deliver on) and the got fired.

But god damn, when you buy a company that can no longer afford to support its own weight, don't let those fuckers convince you that they somehow know how to run your business too when they can't run theirs.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by sbierwagen »

mnbion wrote: post #331

Most Airbus manufacturing happens in or near big cities like Toulouse, Hamburg, and Seville. These cities have plenty of engineering talent and plenty of colleges, universities, and other companies creating and nurturing this talent. Meanwhile most Boeing manufacturing seems to be taking place in rural areas (or "flyover states" as you Americans put it). This is of course because of the local and state subsidies that…

The 737 is made at Boeing Renton and Boeing Everett, two factories in the Seattle area, Boeing's home town, that have been running since the 40s. Fuselages are made at the former Wichita plant, which also dates from the 40s.

737's problems do not stem from being made at a new plant.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by kenny11 »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #68
pinewurst wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget that f-er Harry Stonecipher, a man who gave "don't give a shit" a bad name.

The way you phrased it, I figured that "don't give a shit" was a Stonecipher catch phrase or something. Sort of like Zuckerberg's "move fast and break things".

He did say "When people say I changed the culture of Boeing, that was the intent, so that it’s run like a business rather than a great engineering firm" and he does seem to have been successful at making it into something other than a great engineering firm.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by SoftTalker »

csours wrote: post #153
rootusrootus wrote: post #97

One troubling aspect of this is that it appears Alaska had reason to believe something was wrong with this plane but basically ignored it. They were getting pressurization warnings on prior flights, but the only action they took was restricting the plane from flying ETOPS routes. They're the dominant carrier in my area, so these sorts of screwups make me nervous. I can't easily avoid using them without a fair amount…

Things like this are always alarming until you learn the base rate. Unfortunately, I cannot find a quick reference for this, but many many flights take off with some anomaly noted in the technical log book.

Yes, it's actually an FAA approved document for each aircraft type called the Mimimum Equipment List (MEL). It defines which non-critical equipment is permitted to be inoperative and not prevent dispatch of the aircraft.

Commercial aviation would come to a halt if every aircraft had to be in 100% perfect condition for every flight. There are many systems that have redundant backups or are not essential for safe flight.

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Post by throw_away_584 »

cellis wrote: post #317
bombcar wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NTSB will find it, they’re surprisingly thorough.

How would triangulation of that small of an item be done?

They drop another door from the same place, this time with an airtag taped to it

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by tempname2 »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #136
akira2501 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> B was pressured to buy McD for 'national security' reasons. Creating monopolies and reducing suppliers actually harms "national security." Our braindead managerial class in action.

That is correct. However MDD was manufacturing key military products (F-15, F-18) and it was doing bad financially, going bankrupt and jeopardizing the fighter plane production and maintenance was a "national security" problem that forced the Boeing acquisition of MDD.

Aka privatize profits, socialize losses.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by mrcwinn »

brewdad wrote: post #127
jaktet wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can only assume major hubs have already completed inspection, because a buddy of mine flew out of Seattle on a 737 Max9 this morning. Guess I assumed inspections took longer than half a day

Supposedly the flaw exists on a section where a “false door” exists for future alterations to the exit points. Perhaps not all of their planes were built with this feature. Nothing to inspect in that case.

Do we really know the root cause this quickly?
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