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FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Has there been any push to break up Boeing?

The problem with breaking up Boeing is Airbus. Nowadays, to realistically restore competiveness in an industry, you'd have to coordinate a worldwide breakup of similarly-integrated competitors.

It's functionally impossible for Airbus to take over all of Boeing's contracts. Airbus itself has an order backlog in the thousands. They're not REALLY competing with Boeing.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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post #124

How even does a "plug" door blow out like that? That's a seemingly very robust design where cabin pressure holds the door in place passively, in addition to the latches holding it in place.

How does the cabin pressure hold it in place passively? Isn't the pressure on the inside higher than the pressure on the outside?

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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How to avoid the 737 Max? Fly only airlines that don’t have it. Luckily there are still a few around in Europe. Since the two fatal crashes I have avoided doing flights with 737s.

Just about every airline I’ve ever flown lets you see what kind of aircraft they’re using for the flight you book. It’s pretty easy to avoid flying on a 737 max if you want.

I don’t think that’s a legally binding guarantee, though. Last-minute changes for operational reasons do happen, and I don’t think you can expect compensation in that case.

Still, it definitely increases your chances of not flying on a MAX.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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MBAs can only pull this off when there is no competition and they are in bed with the regulators. You can very easily get Boeing back on track by splitting them into multiple competing businesses, but we all know this won't happen.

They’re already broken up. They consider themselves to be a system integrator. They design the planes, hire contractors to build most of the parts, and then assemble the parts. The fact that this gives Boeing most of the risk and the contractors most of the profit doesn’t seem to bother them.

Vertical integration is not competition. A decision maker at any level within the vertical of power is facing internal competition from political rivals, but no results-based competition from his peers in other companies. So this promotes political shenanigans, and applies negative selection pressure on the actual product quality.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Well clearly the McD people were more skilled politicians.

This is exactly it. The skilled politicians are the reason why the company failed in the first place. They then take over the acquiring company from within like a virus and destroy that next. Rule of thumb: If a company is failing and you purchase it, fire everybody. Either the culture or the people are poison, and they will infect you.

> fire everybody

At the very least, anyone in a management position.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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How to avoid the 737 Max? Fly only airlines that don’t have it. Luckily there are still a few around in Europe. Since the two fatal crashes I have avoided doing flights with 737s.

Just about every airline I’ve ever flown lets you see what kind of aircraft they’re using for the flight you book. It’s pretty easy to avoid flying on a 737 max if you want.

It's usually accurate, but I've had planes changed on me a couple times. For example, there could be a delay that results in it being used for a different flight, and you end up with something else. Or if the plane you're supposed to fly has mechanical issues.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Weird how you can be a "key manufacturer" yet "go bankrupt." Perhaps they should have just been auctioned off and other investors given an opportunity to create new lines of business out of the incompetent mess they had become. Taking the mess and wholesale buying it into another company and then keeping the management that created the problem in the first place is astronomically dumb.

> Weird how you can be a "key manufacturer" yet "go bankrupt." We massively drew down defence spending at the end of the Cold War.

Also, all the money in the world doesn't mean you spend it on things that make money later. If you spend your manufacturing budget on strippers, you won't have anything to sell later.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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That is correct. However MDD was manufacturing key military products (F-15, F-18) and it was doing bad financially, going bankrupt and jeopardizing the fighter plane production and maintenance was a "national security" problem that forced the Boeing acquisition of MDD.

That's when the government goes, "buys" the design for some price it decides, and distributes for other companies to manufacture.

Yeah, but that won't help my buddies at MDM that have been buying me lunch and beers on the golf course
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