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IRS to begin trial of its own free tax-filing system

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Re: IRS to begin trial of its own free tax-filing system

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What would be awesome is if the IRS software would automatically prefill all the data and forms sent to it. It would be nice of your W-2, 1099s etc were all included and all you had to do was verify the information and enter any income not already reported.

You mean like they do in ... every other country on earth?

Not canada

Re: IRS to begin trial of its own free tax-filing system

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What would be awesome is if the IRS software would automatically prefill all the data and forms sent to it. It would be nice of your W-2, 1099s etc were all included and all you had to do was verify the information and enter any income not already reported.

> In one possible scenario included in the agency’s report to Congress, the I.R.S. could fill out tax returns with information it already has, like data from W-2 wage statements. For the pilot, however, participants will have to enter their own financial information, the I.R.S. said.

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> A spokeswoman for Intuit, Tania Mercado, criticized the direct file project as a “half-baked solution” and a waste of taxpayer money. “The direct file scheme is a solution in search of a problem,” she said. Wow, I thought that Intuit would have gone for a little more subtlety.

This is why we still have the income tax system that we do. It’s a $14 billion a year industry. I’ve talked to people who work the lobbying system very hard. There’s lots of wining and dining to make sure no one messes with the complexity of the system.

We need more people who are immune to lobbying in government positions. We’ll see how this goes.. depending on the next election cycle this will either get quashed quickly, or, fingers crossed, might fight on against a growing backlash.

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"Gig workers are not elegible" - that's the Biden loophole written in there straghtaway. Nowadays anyone able-bodied and on low income has at least one gig work app installed on their phone - Uber, Doordash, Amazon Flex, you name it!

If the political system is corrupt, it's unreasonable to assume that one party is better than the other.

Re: IRS to begin trial of its own free tax-filing system

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> A spokeswoman for Intuit, Tania Mercado, criticized the direct file project as a “half-baked solution” and a waste of taxpayer money. “The direct file scheme is a solution in search of a problem,” she said. Wow, I thought that Intuit would have gone for a little more subtlety.

On the plus side, intuit saying something like this is exactly what I want to hear regarding a program like this. I would have been deeply suspicious if they were anything other than enthusiastically opposed to it.

Or they’re saying this because they know the IRS effort doesn’t have competent people on it (think what happened with the healthcare website when it launched) and is just prepping the waters for a “see we were telling you along this was a bad idea” criticism for congress people to spike it later. It’s really hard to intuit the strategy being employed so best to just ignore them altogether. And if this turns into a partisan issue at all (which an unclean launch might because people are dumb about government tech in the US), then expect the Trump administration to kill this if they win to prevent this from becoming entrenched and popular like Obamacare is.

Re: IRS to begin trial of its own free tax-filing system

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What would be awesome is if the IRS software would automatically prefill all the data and forms sent to it. It would be nice of your W-2, 1099s etc were all included and all you had to do was verify the information and enter any income not already reported.

> In one possible scenario included in the agency’s report to Congress, the I.R.S. could fill out tax returns with information it already has, like data from W-2 wage statements. For the pilot, however, participants will have to enter their own financial information, the I.R.S. said.

So in its initial form it is indeed a complete waste of tax payers money.

Shocking.

Re: IRS to begin trial of its own free tax-filing system

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"Gig workers are not elegible" - that's the Biden loophole written in there straghtaway. Nowadays anyone able-bodied and on low income has at least one gig work app installed on their phone - Uber, Doordash, Amazon Flex, you name it! If the political system is corrupt, it's unreasonable to assume that one party is better than the other.

That does not match the reality of the low wage workers I know.

Re: IRS to begin trial of its own free tax-filing system

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> A spokeswoman for Intuit, Tania Mercado, criticized the direct file project as a “half-baked solution” and a waste of taxpayer money. “The direct file scheme is a solution in search of a problem,” she said. Wow, I thought that Intuit would have gone for a little more subtlety.

From the article and from a poster below:

"For the pilot participants will have to enter their own financial information, the I.R.S. said."

It is indeed a complete waste of taxpayer money unless they actually prefill with the IRS' data.

Re: IRS to begin trial of its own free tax-filing system

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On the plus side, intuit saying something like this is exactly what I want to hear regarding a program like this. I would have been deeply suspicious if they were anything other than enthusiastically opposed to it.

Or they’re saying this because they know the IRS effort doesn’t have competent people on it (think what happened with the healthcare website when it launched) and is just prepping the waters for a “see we were telling you along this was a bad idea” criticism for congress people to spike it later. It’s really hard to intuit the strategy being employed so best to just ignore them altogether. And if this turns into a pa…

I've used the US Free File Federal Taxes for the last five years and it just wasn't a problem, and I have yet to see anything that looked like programmer incompetence.

Now, that said, the way you debug your submittal is to paste an entire page of error gibberish that looks like very low level database error output into an entry box they point you to. Sounds gross! Ewwwww! Well actually I've been debugging c++ templates since forever and hohum it doesn't bother me. However... every single time it decoded the problem and told me exactly what I needed to do. It has taken me 2-4 tries each year to get it debugged and then it sails right through. The final result I've fed into two different state forms and that has sailed right through too. All free, and not that much of my time.

Now if they can get the UI for normies painless, which I suspect is the main programming problem (I don't say that UI programming is trivial), this will take off like a rocket ship and the US can the join the coterie of civilized nations that do this for all their citizens.

Re: IRS to begin trial of its own free tax-filing system

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Not only will they, but Trump's Secretary of Treasury will order the IRS to cancel the program as soon as he's elected.

Why? Trump is a populist. "Get your taxes done with me for free instead of HR Block charging you a couple hundreds" is a low-hanging fruit.
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