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New Tech from Camera Makers Tries to Prove Photos Are Not AI Fakes

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Re: New Tech from Camera Makers Tries to Prove Photos Are Not AI Fakes

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Slightly off topic, but has anyone felt they've improved at identifying "AI" images?

My instagram feed is increasingly filled with "AI models", for some reason I can really easily identify these images whereas earlier on I really struggled a lot. Now I can more easily recogize these images, it actually turns me off using Instagram as I find it annoying / jarring.

A few months back, I'd be looking at the hands etc to try work out if the image was real or not. I'd always fail those "is this person real or not" quizzes where as now, I can smash those things pretty easily and almost always know when an IG post is faked.

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How will they keep the private keys secret?

They can't, ultimately, it's basically just DRM but in reverse.

I'm sure they can make it hard, with secure silicon etc., but they'll never make it impossible and that somewhat defeats the purpose.

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I can't wait to take real pictures of a high-resolution display (or even, interpose the bus connecting the image sensor to the rest of the camera)

I just watched the embedded video, which actually shows a photographer using a digital camera to digitize and "authenticate" analog slides. The whole thing seems like a bit of a charade, to me.

I found a service selling 35mm slides of digital image files for £3.25 each.

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I can't wait to take real pictures of a high-resolution display (or even, interpose the bus connecting the image sensor to the rest of the camera)

In order to achieve what exactly?

To get that shiny authentic signature on arbitrary image data.

Re: New Tech from Camera Makers Tries to Prove Photos Are Not AI Fakes

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Generally, signing digital files is a great way to have some strong form of authenticity. There's a lot of unsigned content on the internet which makes impersonating people quite easy. We have fake news, fake comments, fake reviews, propaganda departments from intelligence agencies from hostile countries meddling with elections and public affairs, companies and lobby organizations spreading FUD, marketing companies specializing in bending public opinion, etc.

There's a lot of good reason to start insisting of people using digital signatures for everything they produce. Even without considering AI.

People obsess about what AIs can do here. But you might just make the point that at some point it starts rivaling what a determined hostile person could do manually right now. Sure, it adds scale and convenience for those with such intentions; which makes the problem more urgent than it already was. But it was pretty bad before that.

Putin did not use AI a few years ago. He simply just put some teams of writers to work to flood the internet with content intended to bend Elections this way or that way or erode public confidence.

Web of trust has been tried before of course but IMHO it deserves another chance. The current state is not sustainable when we might get AI generated content dwarfing the amount of genuine content very soon.

Re: New Tech from Camera Makers Tries to Prove Photos Are Not AI Fakes

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Generally, signing digital files is a great way to have some strong form of authenticity. There's a lot of unsigned content on the internet which makes impersonating people quite easy. We have fake news, fake comments, fake reviews, propaganda departments from intelligence agencies from hostile countries meddling with elections and public affairs, companies and lobby organizations spreading FUD, marketing companies s…

I do think there's something useful here. It's like having photographers PGP sign all their images, but with an actually workable UX, and with keys (presumably) stored in a secure enclave within the camera body. This is good.

I just think that marketing teams are inevitably going to oversell it. The moment someone posts an obviously fake image to social media, with all checks from this tech giving the green light, it will destroy the public's confidence in it. The actual usefulness of the tech is nuanced, and it will be a struggle to convey it meaningfully (to technical and non-technical audiences alike)

Re: New Tech from Camera Makers Tries to Prove Photos Are Not AI Fakes

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Anyone know how resistant this could be to cropping, scaling, or grading? Is this purely for verifying the raw or could this be something that social platforms could verify and tag on posts?

The idea is that full edit history is preserved - not verbatim in the metadata, but as a tag that can be looked up in a database. More info here: https://c2pa.org/

As much as I can glean from the video, it's heavily dependent on a central database to hold the edits. If someone alters a video, the original would need to be viewable. Who's storing that, and streaming it? And then who's paying for that? I'm guessing that in the end this will be a paid service for journalistic organizations who buy in.

Re: New Tech from Camera Makers Tries to Prove Photos Are Not AI Fakes

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Can’t wait to crack this. Looking at the specs, it’s hugely complicated for what it is and has an enormous attack surface.

It may not be as stupid as it looks. If this is connected to what I understand, the tech has its provenance in Starling Lab: https://www.starlinglab.org/journalism-about/

Starling Lab involves Dan Boneh.

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