Getting harder to trust Boeing by the day - clearly a pervasive culture problem
Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization
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The industry in general seems to have a huge cash pay issue. Flight attendants, bag handlers, mechanics, aerospace engineers, etc. All are paid a lot less than one would think. I have a few friends who did aerospace for a few years. All are now in tech and earning more than they expected to earn at peak of their aerospace jobs.
I assume by tech you mean web dev right? Since planes are also technology.
Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization
#193I am not flying airlines that buy this crap airplane anymore.
Is there a list of airlines with MAX? I seriously don't want to fly in this death machine ever.
From elsewhere in this conversation, asimpleusecase linked https://www.alternativeairlines.com/airlines-not-flying-boei...
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
Was it made at the plant in North Carolina? Or in Seattle?
The part that blew off was a blank filler panel for an optional emergency door. With that context, are they still delivered as part of the fuselage or are they added in the final assembly?
There seems to be varying info on this... The BBC article claims it wasn't "installed" for AS, but this article:
https://www.flightglobal.com/the-737-story-the-long-stretch/...
"Provision for the new exits – which boost the exit limit capacity from 189 to 215 passengers – “will be structurally installed as standard in all -900s, and will allow operators to decide if the door should be activated or deactivated”, says 737 chief project engineer Mike Delaney."
Makes it sound like they're always installed, and airlines can opt to activate them or not...
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#195What strikes me with the ATC recording is that I can barely hear what they say (and that's the case with almost every ATC recording I heard before). And that's without being in a noisy environment (plane in flight). Is the quality really that bad? Doesn't that cause miscommunications? It seems like a fairly fixable problem in 2024.
The receivers for LiveATC and the like are frequently somewhat compromised in terms of quality and location. This can cause poor quality reception depending on the location and distance away of the transmitter. The radios and antennas on both the aircraft and for ATC are not only of much higher quality but are also positioned as perfectly as possible so as to maximize Tx/Rx performance. All that to say, the pilots an…
Is there any particular liveatc channel/location that offers a representative view of actual quality?
Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization
#196Do you think there will be any accountability from Boeing executives? Boeing hasn't had a lot of good press in the last few years, will leadership ever be held accountable? There was a time when Boeing was considered a very trustworthy and reliable company, is this the result of a decline in an engineering-focused culture? Edit: Many of the comments in this thread mention that they avoid the 737 MAX whenever possible…
What about FAA execs? This is their job to make sure this cannot happen
Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization
#197"So Alaska airlines don't want that extra emergency door" Boeing - "Hold my beer, I think I have some duct tape around here somewhere"
Why would they? For the number of seats they had, the extra emergency exits aren't required. Installing the extra doors would mean more things to inspect or go wrong.
If you want to get hung up on the emergency exits, consider why every modern airliner has doors that are easier (power assist) to open in an emergency but the 737 has doors that are more difficult to open in an emergency.
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
I absolutely refuse to book any flight with a MAX aircraft.
Same here. Airbus every time. Also I know a 737 MAX pilot who had time on A320 and he said fly A320 if you can.
A320 is the smaller plane, right? I've heard passengers love the A350 as well.
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#199Is the FAA going to drag their feet again grounding this plane until the problem is root caused?
Then you’re going to have to ground all the 737-900ERs (in service since 2007) out there as well, since they use the exact same part. Or maybe, just maybe, this is 1,000x more likely to be a maintenance issue than it is a faulty design. If there were a genuine, ongoing safety issue worth worrying about pilots would stop flying them . People seem to entirely forget that the crew up in the cockpit are humans with an in…
Then you’re going to have to ground all the 737-900ERs (in service
since 2007) out there as well, since they use the exact same part.
a.) The -900ER has exit doors where the -9 has plugs blocking off the doors.
b.) If the problem was installation related then it would still make sense to ground the planes and inspect the potentially faulty aircraft.
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#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Boeing's major competitor is Airbus which is largely a government effort.
Think the govs lost their vetoes a while ago. Airbus is now a play by American asset managers AFAIK. Since the market’s mature, it’s more attractive and profitable to buy up programs like the A220 and farm EU subsidies vs. betting on a Boeing turnaround.