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Post by panick21_ »

dclowd9901 wrote: post #85
addicted wrote: post #64

> The Boeing 737-9 MAX rolled off the assembly line just two months ago, receiving its certification in November 2023, according to FAA record posted online. It’s 2 months old, so poor maintenance, wear and tear, etc are not even minor factors. This is just a poorly made plane with awful quality control. And that’s even before we get into some of the design issues, both the shortcuts they’ve taken and ones that are m…

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Guess what, the old Boeing that did the 777 is just as much 'capitalism' as the one that did the MAX. Arguable more so because they were less focused on military and government contracts depending on what we mean when we are saying 'capitalism'.

If by capitalism you mean 'profitable' then Boeing was more so before they started making shitty products.

The reality is companies and all organisation, for many reason change over time.

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Post by panick21_ »

ratg13 wrote: post #107
rnk wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea is that it used to be Boeing didn't have these kinds of problems, they managed themselves and made safer airplanes. At least they appeared safer.

Boeing made better planes when they had to compete with McDonnell Douglas. Once they bought them out and became a monopoly that was deemed ‘not a monopoly’ they had room to relax and replaced engineers with finance people. This is what happens when finance people make aircraft.

Airbus is much, much stronger competition then Douglas ever was.

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Post by smackeyacky »

jacurtis wrote: post #89
Morte42 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man.. if I hadnt seen it I wouldn't have believed it.That is absurd. How the FAA keeps approving this junk from Boeing is even more concerning than how bad Boeing manufacturing has become.

Honestly this might lead to another 737 Max grounding, which will shoot up the cost of airfare. At this point, the 737 Max seems cursed.

It’s not cursed, it’s the inevitable outcome of regulatory capture. That Boeing have suffered little to no consequences from the Max failures is a symptom of an FAA that desperately needs a purge of corrupt processes and officers.

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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Post by realusername »

panick21_ wrote: post #122
ratg13 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boeing made better planes when they had to compete with McDonnell Douglas. Once they bought them out and became a monopoly that was deemed ‘not a monopoly’ they had room to relax and replaced engineers with finance people. This is what happens when finance people make aircraft.

Airbus is much, much stronger competition then Douglas ever was.

Internationally yes. In the US, Boeing has their guaranteed government contracts, it's not a market anymore.

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Post by nvy »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #117

Do you think there will be any accountability from Boeing executives? Boeing hasn't had a lot of good press in the last few years, will leadership ever be held accountable? There was a time when Boeing was considered a very trustworthy and reliable company, is this the result of a decline in an engineering-focused culture? Edit: Many of the comments in this thread mention that they avoid the 737 MAX whenever possible…

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Post by Hamuko »

nvy wrote: post #126
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #117

Do you think there will be any accountability from Boeing executives? Boeing hasn't had a lot of good press in the last few years, will leadership ever be held accountable? There was a time when Boeing was considered a very trustworthy and reliable company, is this the result of a decline in an engineering-focused culture? Edit: Many of the comments in this thread mention that they avoid the 737 MAX whenever possible…

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>This is probably "just" a maintenance issue.

>The Boeing 737-9 MAX rolled off the assembly line just two months ago, receiving its certification in November 2023, according to FAA record posted online.

How does the maintenance crew fuck up a plane this badly in the span of two months?

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Post by MilStdJunkie »

supportengineer wrote: post #79
addicted wrote: post #64

> The Boeing 737-9 MAX rolled off the assembly line just two months ago, receiving its certification in November 2023, according to FAA record posted online. It’s 2 months old, so poor maintenance, wear and tear, etc are not even minor factors. This is just a poorly made plane with awful quality control. And that’s even before we get into some of the design issues, both the shortcuts they’ve taken and ones that are m…

Was it made at the plant in North Carolina? Or in Seattle?

Stan and the gang will try and pawn this off on Spirit, but Renton is supposed to do high blow[1]. It's one of the last things that gets done, with hydraulics and suchlike. I'm just guessing here, but I bet someone waived a batch of Spirit stuff through the process to get more units out the door. "Eh, this whole block is probably fine". False Equivalence strikes again[2].

[1] Simulated full pressurization, often many of them

[2] And yeah. Spirit's got problems. But those problems wouldn't be problems if Boeing didn't sell off BCA's Wichita fuse fab to investment bankers back in 2005 as "Spirit". It's a pretty good name, since it's what some religions think is left behind after you're dead.

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Post by cbhl »

aurareturn wrote: post #71

Last month, I consciously chose a flight from the same airline that used an Airbus plane over a Boeing plane. I wonder if airlines have data showing that their Airbus flights are more popular than Boeing flights after adjusting differences.

I think the algorithmic flight pricing has picked up on this.

I was seeing flights on 737 Max 8 were easily 10-20% cheaper compared to other models on a given route and date. The 737 Max 8 ended up being my most flown model in 2023.

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Post by brandall10 »

nvy wrote: post #126
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #117

Do you think there will be any accountability from Boeing executives? Boeing hasn't had a lot of good press in the last few years, will leadership ever be held accountable? There was a time when Boeing was considered a very trustworthy and reliable company, is this the result of a decline in an engineering-focused culture? Edit: Many of the comments in this thread mention that they avoid the 737 MAX whenever possible…

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This is such an inherent safety issue though one would expect a multitude of things must go wrong (procedurally or otherwise) for this to happen.
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