This report was written by the Club of Rome, notable for having made some of the silliest predictions about population growth in the 20th century
The Seneca Effect: Growth is slow but collapse is rapid (2017) [pdf]
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Re: The Seneca Effect: Growth is slow but collapse is rapid (2017) [pdf]
#12It's also just like any 4x strategy game. You can harvest resources and build and build but once those resources are depleted they deplete very fast because you have grown capacity for intake. I'm glad we aren't worried about peak oil anymore but the climate and food scarity is going to be the next pitfall to avoid.
Wait, when did we stop being concerned about peak oil and why?
Re: The Seneca Effect: Growth is slow but collapse is rapid (2017) [pdf]
#13It's also just like any 4x strategy game. You can harvest resources and build and build but once those resources are depleted they deplete very fast because you have grown capacity for intake. I'm glad we aren't worried about peak oil anymore but the climate and food scarity is going to be the next pitfall to avoid.
Wait, when did we stop being concerned about peak oil and why?
combination of two things; first, we came up with new ways to get oil out of the ground, so it extended the deadline considerably. second, economic growth and oil burning decoupled, so instead of needing more and more oil we hit a steady number.
hopefully, we transition off it soon. but we’re no longer thought likely to run out, even if we don’t
Re: The Seneca Effect: Growth is slow but collapse is rapid (2017) [pdf]
#14Emily Dickinson would tend to disagree:
Crumbling is not an instant's Act
A fundamental pause
Dilapidation's processes
Are organized Decays —
'Tis first a Cobweb on the Soul
A Cuticle of Dust
A Borer in the Axis
An Elemental Rust —
Ruin is formal — Devil's work
Consecutive and slow —
Fail in an instant, no man did
Slipping — is Crashe's law —
Re: The Seneca Effect: Growth is slow but collapse is rapid (2017) [pdf]
#15I am hoping that the modern world is not one single system that can crash all at once, but is rather many systems, such that a crash leaves room for new things to grow bigger
Re: The Seneca Effect: Growth is slow but collapse is rapid (2017) [pdf]
#16This is what happened to Canada.
Care to elaborate?
Re: The Seneca Effect: Growth is slow but collapse is rapid (2017) [pdf]
#17This is what happened to Canada.
What happened to Canada?
Re: The Seneca Effect: Growth is slow but collapse is rapid (2017) [pdf]
#18It's also just like any 4x strategy game. You can harvest resources and build and build but once those resources are depleted they deplete very fast because you have grown capacity for intake. I'm glad we aren't worried about peak oil anymore but the climate and food scarity is going to be the next pitfall to avoid.
The author's wikipedia page shows he wrote some books about Peak Oil...
Re: The Seneca Effect: Growth is slow but collapse is rapid (2017) [pdf]
#19The Seneca Effect is really just a cascade fault. Not every system collapses due to a cascade fault. Death by a thousand cuts is likely just as common a fate.
Re: The Seneca Effect: Growth is slow but collapse is rapid (2017) [pdf]
#20It's also just like any 4x strategy game. You can harvest resources and build and build but once those resources are depleted they deplete very fast because you have grown capacity for intake. I'm glad we aren't worried about peak oil anymore but the climate and food scarity is going to be the next pitfall to avoid.
When I look at this chart, I'm still pretty worried about peak fossil fuel happening too soon. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-energy-substitutio...
peak oil will happen, hopefully soon. but not because we run out of oil - it is nearly goddamn endless - but because we choose to stop burning it for all the reasons we are so familiar with.