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Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

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Re: Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

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You are aware that restaurants clean their food before cooking them? It's a major part of food safety. Indeed, because restaurants generally source their food from better sources than a regular consumer can (many times, straight from the farm), restaurant food is arguably safer than "raw" food you can cook at home. Thus, french fries from a restaurant would be at least as safe as french fries you eat at home. Another…

Where did you get that? Restaurants have paper-thin margins and strong incentives to use the lowest quality ingredients they can get away with.

When I was at a firm, my clients included a number of restaurants ranging from the high-end to the decidedly low-end (i.e., fast food), including a number of major restaurant chains HQ'd in the SoCal area. I can guarantee that I know more about restaurant finances than anyone on this thread other than an actual restaurant owner, because for years it was my job to know this stuff.

But anyways: the number one operational cost that kills restaurants is leasing costs, not supplies or employee wages, because those latter costs can be managed based on the amount of business, time of year, etc.

And the truth about "high quality" versus "low quality" ingredients is that at the restaurant scale, the price difference isn't that large; excepting meat, it can be as low as 10% (and in some cases, at least in SoCal it can be cheaper to buy organic produce than nonorganic). I' still close friends with a number of food purchasers and suppliers in the SoCal area, and you would be absolutely shocked at how little restaurants have to pay for their produce and fish. Consequently, their isn't much of an incentive for a restaurant to use the lowest-quality ingredients because their isn't a significant cost savings but there is a huge risk associated with using lower-quality ingredients. (However, the calculus is different for food manufacturers, who sell their products at wholesale prices and so have significantly smaller potential margins.)

Re: Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

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Do you eat fries directly from the deep fryer into your mouth?

Are you worried about microplastics on your plate ? Because that is a problem you're more likely to have at home, than in a restaurant setting where they have far more powerful and effective dishwashers.

When you buy fries at a fast-food restaurant like McDonalds, the fries are served in a little container that is made of paper covered by a thin plastic layer [1]. Microscopic amounts of that plastic will get on the hot fries, and you will ingest it.

The same, of course, holds for other hot food products, like fried chicken, consumed in such containers.

Of course, the overall discussion is about microplastics in grocery store foods, but I think the above is what the thread OP meant.

[1]likely the vast majority of french fries in the world are consumed in this manner

Re: Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

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> strong Dunning-Kruger vibe Remember, personal attacks are not allowed here. One doesn't have to work for the FDA to realize that the prioritize profit over health in a lot of cases. Case in point is sunscreen. How many years did the FDA allow sunscreens that didn't protect against UV-A exposure, knowing that UV-A was the primary cause for sun damage related skin cancer. Even when they did decide to require protecti…

It's true though. The FDA almost certainly has at least a dozen folks much smarter than the user calling them 'clueless'. And all regulated organizations, in total, certainly have many hundreds much smarter responding to the FDA. It's very likely that at least a few thousand actual bonafide geniuses interact substantially, in some way, in any given year.

Smart? What does that have to do with doing their job? Are you saying that smart people aren't lazy? Aren't corruptible? Don't suffer from group-think? Geez, the list could go on and on and on.

If smart was all that is necessary, we wouldn't need the likes of the FDA. If smart was all that is necessary, the world wouldn't be the clusterfuck that it is.

History is clear...relying on smart is a stupid idea. Ignoring history? Even worse.

Re: Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

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Direct link to article. https://www.consumerreports.org/health/food-contaminants/the... > We found [phthalates] in all but one food (Polar raspberry lime seltzer). A very grim lol.

Per the article:

>> Yet some products had much lower levels than others. A serving of Pizza Hut’s Original Cheese Pan Pizza, for example, had half the phthalate levels of a similar pizza from Little Caesars. Levels varied even among products from the same brand: Chef Boyardee Big Bowl Beefaroni pasta in meat sauce had less than half the level of the company’s Beefaroni pasta in tomato and meat sauce.

This is also surprising, seeing how Chipotle will prepare the food in front of you.

>> Chipotle Chicken Burrito (aluminum foil)20,579ng

Other notable:

>> Juicy Juice 100% Juice Apple (cardboard box)2,260 ng

>> Land O’Lakes Butter Salted (paper wrap/cardboard)581 ng

>> Trader Joe’s Ground Pork 80% Lean 20% Fat (plastic wrap)5,503 ng

>> Annie’s Organic Cheesy Ravioli (can)53,579 ng

FTW! BBQ all day.

>> Sweet Baby Ray’s Barbecue Sauce Original (plastic)22 ng

Re: Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

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Ok, I'll amend by changing to "majority". :D I'm curious what the implication in not having a lining is. If it isn't needed, why have it on the other cans? I'm assuming it has a decreased shelf life? Edit: I'm a little confused on the reading real quick. I am seeing that most cans are now BPA free, but it seems they are still lined with a plastic?

The metal in cans would react with certain foods or chemicals in food in often far worse ways than anything the plastic will do. There's likely no packaging material that wouldn't make any impact on its contents.

> no packaging material that wouldn't make any impact on its contents.

We solved this many decades ago with a cheap, safe, abundant, recyclable material: glass.

Centralized factories and the associated transport and breakage costs ruined it.

Re: Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

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If you have a plastic cutting board, throw it away. If you go to a restaurant that uses plastic or Delrin cutting boards, educate them, then run away. Why it's not obvious that slicing and dicing against plastic generates microplastics baffles me. https://youtube.com/shorts/mQRPvst0BvM https://youtube.com/shorts/mQRPvst0BvM https://youtu.be/_bNySyEobfY

dont you just poop out those microplastics anyways?

Re: Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

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The metal in cans would react with certain foods or chemicals in food in often far worse ways than anything the plastic will do. There's likely no packaging material that wouldn't make any impact on its contents.

> no packaging material that wouldn't make any impact on its contents. We solved this many decades ago with a cheap, safe, abundant, recyclable material: glass. Centralized factories and the associated transport and breakage costs ruined it.

I feel unreasonable about it, but this is exactly why I only buy glassed drinks when I can. Luckily, I should drink less anyway.

Re: Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

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Nearly 500 years ago, Paracelsus wrote "All things are poisonous and nothing is without poison; only the dose makes a thing not poisonous". He was correct then and he is still correct today, but we stubbornly refuse to accept the first law of toxicology. Broiling, frying and baking makes food more toxic. There's absolutely no getting away from that fact. As soon as you apply high heat to a food, you're performing a p…

> They are far too well-studied to hold any significant surprises This statement is absurd. The vast majority of research is (1) funded by industry, (2) focused on how plastic can be used in industry, and (3) not focused on biological aspects. The actual research on endocrine effects of plastics show it has a clear negative effect [0]. > EDCs are chemicals that disturb the body’s hormone systems and can cause cancer,…

That report is about plastic additives, not plastics themselves. Most of the chemicals named in the report for which there is evidence of actual harm have been banned, very heavily restricted or are in the process of being phased out in the EU.

To reiterate my original comment, I trust the judgement of the EU regulators. I don't know enough about US regulators to comment. I don't know if that report is just scaremongering about known issues that have already been addressed, or if it's still relevant because the EPA and the FDA are asleep at the switch. It certainly doesn't scare me, because the concerns it raises are ancient history from where I'm sitting. If the US government allows companies to sell you products that contain harmful levels of known toxins, then I don't see how anyone could reasonably conclude that the real problem is that some of those known toxins happen to be added to plastics.

Re: Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

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If only. The amount of plastic absorbed by pretty much everything we eat could easily be the most significant part. With possible exceptions for especially badly treated products such as GP's plastic-rolled fries.

There is tons of plastic in a food factory. For example, lots of liquids flow through plastic tubing which is proven to leach phthalates. This is not going to happen with a whole potato you cook yourself using metal cookware and utensils.

How much of our ingredients come in plastics though? I'm thinking about how all of my condiments and oils come in plastic containers. Heck even my potatoes come in a plastic bag as well. It's near impossible to avoid plastic contact right now.
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