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Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by insickness »

soerxpso wrote: post #7
JohnMakin wrote: post #4

Parents and caretakers have the ability to restrict children’s content on any device a child has access to. The burden should be on them to ensure their child is not consuming porn. It shouldn’t be everyone else’s problem that people are unwilling to parent their children.

You can't expect parents to hover over their children 24/7. Apply the argument you're making to any other instance of corrupting minors. If you have sex with a 14 year old, you're not going to be able to say, "Well the kid's parents should have been watching him..." to the judge. The same applies to showing porn to one.

This is a straw man. Saying that the burden is on parents to ensure a child's safety doesn't mean a child molester is free from blame. You've taken his point and pushed it to the extreme.

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by Kuinox »

huytersd wrote: post #44
TobyTheDog123 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like a lot of the comments here are said ironically but would actually be wonderful for much of society. Very tired of the libertarian arguments when they obviously don't work.

Libertarianism doesn’t work as much as communism doesn’t work.

There are others things than libertarianism and communism. Why picking it as an example?

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by joe_g_young »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #70
usrusr wrote: post #26

Something like that parody of printed manual check copy protection on the original Larry game might actually work? Years later I had a huge "oh, so that's the answer!" moment when I finally discovered the meaning of the words agent orange. Jokes aside, what would be the failure mode if some metadata about audience minimum age was given legal blessing? Regular browsers would simply ignore it, browsers with enabled par…

> What am I missing? You are missing, that many people in that space don't want to solve that specific problem * Some companies and their lobbies want to sell their products for filtering or whatever * Some people want to get rid of all sinful porn * Some want to block a lot more content for more people and need infrastructure * Some want to have further control Etc. "protecting the children" is often a good way to d…

The Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA) gives parents control over what information websites can collect from their kids. [https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/privacy-security/child...]. It requires explicit consent from the parents by entering a credit card as a form of ID or a video chat where the web platform confirms the adult is the parent or guardian

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by huytersd »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #64
huytersd wrote: post #38

South Korea has been doing it for years. To get on the internet, you need to sign in with your ID.

Sounds like fascism to me. More like what N. Korea does, you'd think that S. Korea would be averse to adding more fascism to their lives rather than less.

Meh, it’s just the internet.

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by whythre »

phantom784 wrote: post #16
dmm wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> any device a child has access to. That's not the world we live in today. Stores local to me will sell a (terrible but internet capable) phone for $35 to anyone. So you are proposing moving the age verification to the device purchasing stage?

Plus, a minor could use their friends' devices. Their parents may not have set up any controls on those devices.

If that is the worry, then bad influences won’t be stopped by some shitty internet-wide age verification. Teens can bully each other with their cameras, or words. If their peers are the problem, no amount of government playing internet cop will help.

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by anonzzzies »

gary_0 wrote: post #65
baby_souffle wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn’t a proxy just bypass this filter? Just as with the “you must be at least 18 to view this site, only click ok if you’re at least 18” popups, I’m pretty sure a smart 17 year old could figure out that notpornhub.com silently drops the special filter tag but is otherwise identical to pornhub.com

And a VPN bypasses these age-verification restrictions some states are adding. And kids find ways of buying alcohol too (when I was in high school eons ago, just about everyone was underage drinking, and a lot of my friends had porno mags too). Fortunately, most democratic countries will be constitutionally prevented from enacting full-blown police states to stop kids from doing naughty things. Hopefully.

Most of the my friends when I was a high school kid in the 80s had access to porn, alcohol, weed and were having sex under 18. All not allowed by their/my parents, but no ended up even remotely bad or damaged. It’s just growing up.

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by ipaddr »

JohnMakin wrote: post #52
dmm wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> any device a child has access to. That's not the world we live in today. Stores local to me will sell a (terrible but internet capable) phone for $35 to anyone. So you are proposing moving the age verification to the device purchasing stage?

Complete strawman on a complete strawman situation that isn’t even real. What $35 phone out there has the network bandwidth for porn that isn’t tied to identity in a way that a parent couldn’t easily spot and prevent?

A smaller place like mintmobile would cost 15 a month.

Re: Age verification is incompatible with the internet

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Post by anonzzzies »

A lot of countries (like NL, ES, PT, BE,…) have state owned APIs which have a central login (with 2FA) could easily just return yep or nay when asked; is this person over 18. Without violating privacy by the porn site and not anymore violating at least than the gov site already does or doesn’t in your opinion. The site wouldn’t have to know anything about who you are; it would work like 3dsecure.

I am not for it but it wouldn’t be hard to do in countries like that; I guess the US doesn’t have / want this? Like a state owned social security login site?

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