If every person can be identified uniquely and mapped to a real person, and this is what age verification will come down to, then each of us can be fed with different kind of bullshit, our thoughts can be even more easily manipulated systematically. That is the price to pay.
Age verification is incompatible with the internet
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#13AV is already widely utilized by thousands of internet companies and represents a significant market. The issue is the companies being targeted have simply chosen to not enact any AV or gating measures because it would impact their existing business. Additionally, the targeted companies have solutions available but are leveraging legal and lobbying efforts vs. changing their business. Source: I work for a company tha…
And? The point of the article is that it's incompatible with privacy on the internet, or rather the spirit of what the internet is - widely accessible, not pseudo-AIM.
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#14AV is already widely utilized by thousands of internet companies and represents a significant market. The issue is the companies being targeted have simply chosen to not enact any AV or gating measures because it would impact their existing business. Additionally, the targeted companies have solutions available but are leveraging legal and lobbying efforts vs. changing their business. Source: I work for a company tha…
How are users supposed to know where they can and can't safely upload a sensitive picture of their ID?
The vast majority (90%+)of all AV is not photo ID. It’s phone number or name/address (in the US), depending on the industry. This info is usually collected.
For adult industry, the issue is gating web traffic. But as I explained to a regulator mentioned in the article, as long as there are shady companies who won’t comply and can’t be fined, it’s a moot point.
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#15If every person can be identified uniquely and mapped to a real person, and this is what age verification will come down to, then each of us can be fed with different kind of bullshit, our thoughts can be even more easily manipulated systematically. That is the price to pay.
It is moving towards proof of uniqueness + age assurance. Eg: confidence score you are human + confidence score you are over X age.
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#16Parents and caretakers have the ability to restrict children’s content on any device a child has access to. The burden should be on them to ensure their child is not consuming porn. It shouldn’t be everyone else’s problem that people are unwilling to parent their children.
> any device a child has access to. That's not the world we live in today. Stores local to me will sell a (terrible but internet capable) phone for $35 to anyone. So you are proposing moving the age verification to the device purchasing stage?
Plus, a minor could use their friends' devices. Their parents may not have set up any controls on those devices.
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#17This should not be that hard. How about:
- At point of purchase for a consumer device that can view Internet content, the salesperson (or web store) is required to ask if the device is for an underage child, in which case either the device is placed in "child safe" mode, or printed instructions are directly provided giving instructions to do such. The child protection settings should be linked to the parent's e-mail address (so they can be lifted when the child is of age, or the device is given to someone else, etc).
- Consumer devices must support filtering for underage users (they already do, although perhaps this could be made more standardized and easier to use).
- Adult sites are required to list themselves as such so they can be filtered (they already do this quite voluntarily).
Of course, this assumes that legislators are making these rules in good faith (I strongly suspect they are not, and thus they are actually unconstitutional attempts to restrict free speech).
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#19Kids can purchase unrestricted amount of sugar drinks and ruin their health for the rest of their lives. I insist government implements age verification for soda purchases. All sodas must be accessible to 21+ years only.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
How are users supposed to know where they can and can't safely upload a sensitive picture of their ID?
The vast majority (90%+)of all AV is not photo ID. It’s phone number or name/address (in the US), depending on the industry. This info is usually collected. For adult industry, the issue is gating web traffic. But as I explained to a regulator mentioned in the article, as long as there are shady companies who won’t comply and can’t be fined, it’s a moot point.
Phone numbers? That seems like a bunch of security theater. (Edit: presumably that's why the states that have passed porn AV laws require IDs, not phone numbers.)
> For adult industry, the issue is gating web traffic.
Clealry that is not the only issue as adult sites have chosen to stop operating rather than comply in jurisdictions that require AV.