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Zeiss's "Holocam" turns glass windows into cameras

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Re: Zeiss's "Holocam" turns glass windows into cameras

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and your 1500€ phone still sucks compared to my 500€ DSLR, lol

Yeah I seriously doubt that. Not without a lens that costs 3x-4x times the camera. If you spent 500€ on a kit that makes iPhone or Pixel photos look bad... you bought it stolen, lol.

I bought it new from a camera-store lol. Its the Canon EOS 2000D with the Canon EF 50mm f1.8. (I don't count my other lenses, bought them later).

And yes, it is better than any phonecamera.

Re: Zeiss's "Holocam" turns glass windows into cameras

#153

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and your 1500€ phone still sucks compared to my 500€ DSLR, lol

For the everyday needs of the average non-enthusiast consumer, I'd argue that an iPhone is simply better than a DSLR or mirrorless - not just more portable or more convenient, but capable of producing reliably better images. Sure, the DSLR is the obvious choice if you're a serious photographer, but most people aren't serious photographers. If they buy a DSLR or mirrorless camera, they're going to use the kit lens and…

Phone-cameras produce muddy trash. Ever tried to make a good portrait with difficult light? That was the reason i began photographing seriously, because the photos i made with my phone on the galacon a year prior were trash.

And yeah u have to learn how to properly use a dedicated camera which is why i only shoot with manual settings, for casuals phones are enough.

Re: Zeiss's "Holocam" turns glass windows into cameras

#155

For the people kinda worried: this is a highly specialized piece of glass that is extremely complicated to manufacture at present and must, due to the laws of thermodynamics, not be 100% transparent. It's not going to allow surveillance through existing glass installations in any form, just possibly new ones if there's room for the support equipment and through the use of 4-5 digit piles of cash. Any camera glass lik…

I agree with everything you said, but the example on the CES floor does not have an apparent tint.

Neither do most storefront windows and yet they're often made to reduce the transmission of UV light to protect displayed goods from sunlight or intentionally darkened so they're less transparent when the display is not lit up. You just don't notice it normally or dismiss it as an effect of ordinary glare, which is the point.

Re: Zeiss's "Holocam" turns glass windows into cameras

#156

After some searching I found a patent I think may be related to this https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2020225109A1/en because it uses the phrase "Holocam", is German and was filed by Audi (the press release mentions automotive applications as the primary initial use case). It's a translation from German which makes it a bit tougher to parse than the usual patent. The total lack of any deeper information beyond the…

Thanks for finding this.

The paper mentioned in the Description section can be read here: https://www.academia.edu/52566311/_title_Volume_phase_hologr...

My guess is that each of the items in patent diagram labeled 20 and 22 are gratings of this sort, perhaps with the fringes angled at 45 degrees.

Some additional info may be gleaned from the one patent citing this one, invented by one of the co-inventors of the latter: https://patents.google.com/patent/DE102019206354A1/en

Re: Zeiss's "Holocam" turns glass windows into cameras

#157

Having played with light fields and photography, I have questions. There has to be an imaging sensor somewhere. Where is it? I strongly suspect most of this "magic" will condense out of this cloud into a puddle of marketing sponsored bovine excrement.

> The Holocam technology "uses holographic in-coupling, light guiding and de-coupling elements to redirect the incoming light of a transparent medium to a hidden image sensor." It looks like it still requires a sensor, it can just be hidden in the frame of the glass.

Sure it has a sensor, it's not magic. But OTOH if it can capture the POV of a real line of eye contact with another image projected _through_ the camera, the effects are transformative, it doesn't matter whether ultimately there is a sensor somewhere or not

Re: Zeiss's "Holocam" turns glass windows into cameras

#158
Am I alone in thinking this is cool but not inherently useful? The only use case where this might be useful is in video calls to make ‘eye contact’ more realistic but I’m sure there are software fixes (altering pupils)

In most cases such as the windscreen you can just have a camera on the frame. Why does it need to utilise the glass itself?

Re: Zeiss's "Holocam" turns glass windows into cameras

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The article is poorly written, as it only discusses the camera component. Strangely, they chose stock images of holographic and optical displays, but didn’t mention that even once. The Zeiss site is a much better read: https://www.zeiss.com/corporate/en/about-zeiss/present/newsr... In summary: 1) ZEISS unveils holographic Smart Glass at CES 2024, both for displays/projection/filtering, but also another component whic…

Thanks for linking to that. > coupling, decoupling and light guiding elements to divert incident light to a concealed sensor So, there's a camera in the dash looking up at the windshield and focusing where it expects to see a face, thereby using the windshield as a reflector? And maybe there's some additional etching and deposited films in the windshield to support the angles required? And perhaps you can put cameras…

It collects through the edge, and the glass can be (apparently) flat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NORPeCcIXRQ

Re: Zeiss's "Holocam" turns glass windows into cameras

#160

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Yes and I manually sort through thousands of sunflower seeds every year to get the good ones for my breeding program but our obscure hobbies aren’t the norm.

Now I want to know more about your sunflower breeding program :)

..until you find out it's for bronycon snack packs
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