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Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by gumballindie »

IshKebab wrote: post #148
nbzso wrote: post #130

I gave my friends the following advice. Push yourselves away from AI trend tools and learn what is what before falling into this trap. In the era of AI those who can think, draw, write, code and be the best in their craft without it will rule the rest. Simple and clear. Prompting is not a skill which will differentiate (except for AI devs, as a part of fine-tuning the model's output). The real danger of AI is not get…

Terrible advice. This is like telling people not to use an IDE because auto-complete isn't always right. Or not to use document templates because they aren't finished. Github Copilot can - in some domains - make me 30% more productive. Once it becomes commonplace and the legal issues are sorted, luddites who refuse to use it will be left in the dust.

Good analogy - people that only know how to code using an ide are usually the worse. Those who thrive are those that know and understand things. If 30% of your job can be done by a procedural generator then your work is worthless. Probably because you do stuff you dont understand, and will be freed to focus on more important things - such as luddites or who killed biggie.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by parl_match »

nxobject wrote: post #146
asdff wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not even microsoft its everyone and their grandmother pushing AI this AI that crap. Really language model this language model that, but we've perverted what AI actually means to the public already so that's great too for technological literacy purposes.

Apple, to their credit, hasn't announcing some generative-AI powered project. Yet. I'd like to think they have an Amish-like attitude to tech fads... hence why they never had a foldable come to market.

They actually have, but they generally refer to the technology by its more technical terms. Instead of saying "generative ai", they'll say "transformer based predictive text". They have a few things (keyboard, camera, photos app, and some others) that are actually using generative AI but they don't refer to it as such.

And as for the folding phone, I think they couldn't build one to their standards. I like the concept but there's a reason they've stayed relatively niche in the market.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by chuckadams »

dijit wrote: post #69
arp242 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a huge fan it has a Windows logo printed on it, but there are good usability reasons for the key, even on non-Windows systems, and there was just a big hunk of empty space between Ctrl and Alt before. So nothing is really lost for non-Windows users. It seems to me there are more pressing matters to get angry about than the logo on a keyboard. And whether we like or not not, Windows is the dominant desktop OS,…

I knew someone would bring up the utility of the key as a meta-modifier.[0] Sun keyboards had a diamond to mark that key, which is better to my mind than a third party commercial OS logo. I wouldn't even mind if it was the keyboard manufacturer logo. [0]: https://deskthority.net/wiki/File:Suntype7sf.jpg

Originally that diamond was the Sun logo, which was diamond-shaped.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by nbzso »

IshKebab wrote: post #148
nbzso wrote: post #130

I gave my friends the following advice. Push yourselves away from AI trend tools and learn what is what before falling into this trap. In the era of AI those who can think, draw, write, code and be the best in their craft without it will rule the rest. Simple and clear. Prompting is not a skill which will differentiate (except for AI devs, as a part of fine-tuning the model's output). The real danger of AI is not get…

Terrible advice. This is like telling people not to use an IDE because auto-complete isn't always right. Or not to use document templates because they aren't finished. Github Copilot can - in some domains - make me 30% more productive. Once it becomes commonplace and the legal issues are sorted, luddites who refuse to use it will be left in the dust.

I don't think autocomplete is comparable with generative code processes. Using AI as a helper in analytics and documentation, yes.

But how knowing to code without AI will leave me in the dust? I will know less? Or I will be so slow that the management will oust me?

After measuring my "performance" trough corporate timer for code per minute?

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by dijit »

floxy wrote: post #147
arp242 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a huge fan it has a Windows logo printed on it, but there are good usability reasons for the key, even on non-Windows systems, and there was just a big hunk of empty space between Ctrl and Alt before. So nothing is really lost for non-Windows users. It seems to me there are more pressing matters to get angry about than the logo on a keyboard. And whether we like or not not, Windows is the dominant desktop OS,…

The Logitech K860 keyboard doesn't have the Windows logo on the Windows key. It has "opt" and "start" along with undecipherable half-a-stew-pot icon: https://www.imore.com/ergo-k860-split-ergonomic-keyboard-rev... ...mostly just posting this to hear what others might think that icon represents.

That symbol represents an alternative and indicates the function of the key. Its used on Apple computers.

IE: alt

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by kdtsh »

rnd0 wrote: post #156
doodpants wrote: post #109

"On an up-to-date Windows PC with Copilot enabled, you can currently do the same thing by pressing Windows + C. For PCs without Copilot enabled, including those that aren't signed into Microsoft accounts, the Copilot key will open Windows Search instead" Just tried Windows + C on my Win 10 machine; it brings up a dialog that helpfully informs me "Cortana in Windows as a standalone app is deprecated."

>Just tried Windows + C on my Win 10 machine; it brings up a dialog that helpfully informs me "Cortana in Windows as a standalone app is deprecated." smirks I'm sure this button will share the same fate come 2030, 2034. That said, I'm curious what GNOME and MATE will do with it -if anything.

Maybe Space Cadet style modifiers will make a comeback!

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by jerf »

k8svet wrote: post #159
jerf wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll do whatever they spec it to do. The good news is, whatever they spec it to do will be available to Linux and other OSes because there's really no practical way to spec something Linux couldn't handle as well as Windows without risking antitrust action over something far too stupid to justify such a thing. The bad news is that people do sometimes do dumb things with keyboards for no reason. I'm using a Dell lapt…

And if they spec that the key just sends Win+Ctrl+Alt+C then what? I don't care about the new key, I care about the fact that it seems likely it will be implemented in an absurd way. I guess yeah, you can still bind to that key combo and use the key, but you don't get capacity for a "new" binding.

I kinda feel like I covered that.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by elric »

Great way to mess up muscle memory again. The original addition of the windows (or meta, if you're so inclined) key wasn't too bad, as most keyboards had a blank space there. But then people pushed the Fn. And the menu key. And the bottom row became a mess. With some keyboards having Fn>Ctrl>Win>Alt, while others have Ctrl>Fn>Win>Alt, or a permutation without an Fn key.

None of my keyboards have a menu key. And none of my laptop keyboards have a right Win key. There really isn't any room for another garbage key there.

Don't get me started on how the home/end/insert/delete/pgup/pgdown cluster got massacred and merged with the arrow keys. Some keyboard designers really have no respect for the people who actually use their products.

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