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Zeiss's "Holocam" turns glass windows into cameras

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Re: Zeiss's "Holocam" turns glass windows into cameras

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I never understood bigger and more numerous camera bumps until I used optical zoom and took photos at night. Image quality with thick lenses is incomparably superior to that of thin lenses and 3 image sensors collect 3x as many photons as 1 so you don't have to hold the phone still for such a long time. Ideally the entire backside of my phone would be lenses

and your 1500€ phone still sucks compared to my 500€ DSLR, lol

Re: Zeiss's "Holocam" turns glass windows into cameras

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"Webcams that enable you to look anywhere on your screen." Minor aside, but does anyone actually care about this? Forever ago, I was told to try and look into the camera in order to project eye contact during video calls, but now that just seems like a cultural hangup that arose from people not being familiar with video calling. Now that it is more ubiquitous, I feel like we all have collectively agreed that the eye…

Consider the possibilities when the screen-glass camera view could be different for each of the participants on your videoconference screen - so as you shift your eyes from one to another, they get different experience of eye contact.

Staring into your camera on a multiparty call means everyone feels like they are getting your eye contact, which devalues it. Eye contact moving between participants is the gel that holds conversations together and it's why video calls are still stuck in the conference call era in terms of talking over one another.

Re: Zeiss's "Holocam" turns glass windows into cameras

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For the people kinda worried: this is a highly specialized piece of glass that is extremely complicated to manufacture at present and must, due to the laws of thermodynamics, not be 100% transparent. It's not going to allow surveillance through existing glass installations in any form, just possibly new ones if there's room for the support equipment and through the use of 4-5 digit piles of cash. Any camera glass lik…

So what you say is: this early prototype might be hard to see if it's not close up?

I mean, this will be worse if the tech advances no?

Re: Zeiss's "Holocam" turns glass windows into cameras

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post #76

Yeah it sounds like a great option to place a camera invisibly in the middle top half of your screen so you can actually look a person in the eye when videoconferencing. No more weirdly looking down or to the side for everyone. I'm sure it can be used for creepiness as well but I see the benefits too.

iPhones solve the camera angle by changing the position of the pupil in software instead.

It’s a bit uncanny valley though, right?

Re: Zeiss's "Holocam" turns glass windows into cameras

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For the people kinda worried: this is a highly specialized piece of glass that is extremely complicated to manufacture at present and must, due to the laws of thermodynamics, not be 100% transparent. It's not going to allow surveillance through existing glass installations in any form, just possibly new ones if there's room for the support equipment and through the use of 4-5 digit piles of cash. Any camera glass lik…

>and must, due to the laws of thermodynamics, not be 100% transparent.

It's perhaps worth noting, however, that it wouldn't be unusual for a window to have only ~60% transmittance in visible spectrum.

Re: Zeiss's "Holocam" turns glass windows into cameras

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post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood bigger and more numerous camera bumps until I used optical zoom and took photos at night. Image quality with thick lenses is incomparably superior to that of thin lenses and 3 image sensors collect 3x as many photons as 1 so you don't have to hold the phone still for such a long time. Ideally the entire backside of my phone would be lenses

and your 1500€ phone still sucks compared to my 500€ DSLR, lol

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Re: Zeiss's "Holocam" turns glass windows into cameras

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post #15

The article is poorly written, as it only discusses the camera component. Strangely, they chose stock images of holographic and optical displays, but didn’t mention that even once. The Zeiss site is a much better read: https://www.zeiss.com/corporate/en/about-zeiss/present/newsr... In summary: 1) ZEISS unveils holographic Smart Glass at CES 2024, both for displays/projection/filtering, but also another component whic…

Thanks for linking to that.

> coupling, decoupling and light guiding elements to divert incident light to a concealed sensor

So, there's a camera in the dash looking up at the windshield and focusing where it expects to see a face, thereby using the windshield as a reflector? And maybe there's some additional etching and deposited films in the windshield to support the angles required?

And perhaps you can put cameras elsewhere, and similarly subtly modify the windshield or other glass to look at other things as well?

Re: Zeiss's "Holocam" turns glass windows into cameras

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post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood bigger and more numerous camera bumps until I used optical zoom and took photos at night. Image quality with thick lenses is incomparably superior to that of thin lenses and 3 image sensors collect 3x as many photons as 1 so you don't have to hold the phone still for such a long time. Ideally the entire backside of my phone would be lenses

and your 1500€ phone still sucks compared to my 500€ DSLR, lol

Yes but I have my iPhone everywhere and the pictures the 15 pro max takes are beyond ‘good enough’.

Even the zoom is pretty good nowadays.

Often the choice isn’t iPhone photo or DSLR photo it’s iPhone or no photo at all.

It’s a right faff getting the DSLR out and carrying it around. I brought mine to NYC over Xmas and ended up using my phone mostly.

Also no one I know prints photos out, they look at them on their phone, iPad or maybe TV if they care enough or have a screensaver slideshow.

I’d love to use my DSLR more and every year I tell myself I’m going to but I just… don’t.

Re: Zeiss's "Holocam" turns glass windows into cameras

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post #27

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> ESA and NASA space missions have carried this trailblazing ZEISS technology on board for many years. It is also well established in the semiconductor and medical technology sectors. Huh. Seems like it should be fairly easy to find info on then... though some googling around makes me think they might just be referring to their more general diffraction gratings and whatnot.

Zeiss multifunctional smart glass Product page: https://www.zeiss.com/oem-solutions/products-solutions/multi... NASA/ESA mention: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/zeiss_automotive-augmentedrea...

This looks really cool.

Could you put a polarizer on this and have that filler out the other side of the display, so a smart window is one way visible? That could make smart glasses and headsets much better.

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