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Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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What about the MS Office key and Emoji key? Those were definitely added after 1994. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/using-the-office-k...

How is that they thought adding a keyboard shortcut to open LinkedIn would be good use for a new key?

Because people will accidentally push the button and be sent to LinkedIn. Good for their stats. Computers are no longer being built to do what you want them to, but what the software maker wants you to do with them.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, customers are part of the hype feedback loop. I have seen actual conversations with non-tech workers that boil down to "when we ask these people what they want AI to do, they say they don't know, but boy do they get excited every time we mention adding AI"

Are customers really asking for AI soda flavors, tho? https://us.coca-cola.com/products/coke-creations/y3000-limit...

smacking AI on anything is probably an easy promotion for the next couple years

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not even microsoft its everyone and their grandmother pushing AI this AI that crap. Really language model this language model that, but we've perverted what AI actually means to the public already so that's great too for technological literacy purposes.

To be fair, customers are part of the hype feedback loop. I have seen actual conversations with non-tech workers that boil down to "when we ask these people what they want AI to do, they say they don't know, but boy do they get excited every time we mention adding AI"

I saw post in this general purpose forum where this guy claimed he asked chatgpt to learn about cnc-milling machines and material properties and produce g-code to mill a gear.

People were replying "I dont understand, but thats cool!" etc.

I checked his code and it did circle with G3 and then it did "finishing pass" which was also circle by rotating the chuck or A-axle. When I asked him about it, he just said "Oh, I didn't look at the code"

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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"On an up-to-date Windows PC with Copilot enabled, you can currently do the same thing by pressing Windows + C. For PCs without Copilot enabled, including those that aren't signed into Microsoft accounts, the Copilot key will open Windows Search instead" Just tried Windows + C on my Win 10 machine; it brings up a dialog that helpfully informs me "Cortana in Windows as a standalone app is deprecated."

Tip: you can use https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher to make it open the clock instead.

(just built a new PC and Windows 11 was quite awful w/ stock UX)

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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post #101
post #6

The way Microsoft is pushing AI literally everywhere now feels reminiscent of circa 2001 when literally everything was branded '.NET'. Eventually they scaled it back, but it was complete overkill and diluted what the brand was supposed to represent.

Its not even microsoft its everyone and their grandmother pushing AI this AI that crap. Really language model this language model that, but we've perverted what AI actually means to the public already so that's great too for technological literacy purposes.

Apple, to their credit, hasn't announcing some generative-AI powered project. Yet. I'd like to think they have an Amish-like attitude to tech fads... hence why they never had a foldable come to market.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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post #62
post #18

I get so tilted at the idea of a specific OS vendor having a dedicated keyboard button on all non-apple computers. And now they are doing it again, wild.

I'm not a huge fan it has a Windows logo printed on it, but there are good usability reasons for the key, even on non-Windows systems, and there was just a big hunk of empty space between Ctrl and Alt before. So nothing is really lost for non-Windows users. It seems to me there are more pressing matters to get angry about than the logo on a keyboard. And whether we like or not not, Windows is the dominant desktop OS,…

The Logitech K860 keyboard doesn't have the Windows logo on the Windows key. It has "opt" and "start" along with undecipherable half-a-stew-pot icon:

https://www.imore.com/ergo-k860-split-ergonomic-keyboard-rev...

...mostly just posting this to hear what others might think that icon represents.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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post #130

I gave my friends the following advice. Push yourselves away from AI trend tools and learn what is what before falling into this trap. In the era of AI those who can think, draw, write, code and be the best in their craft without it will rule the rest. Simple and clear. Prompting is not a skill which will differentiate (except for AI devs, as a part of fine-tuning the model's output). The real danger of AI is not get…

Terrible advice. This is like telling people not to use an IDE because auto-complete isn't always right. Or not to use document templates because they aren't finished.

Github Copilot can - in some domains - make me 30% more productive. Once it becomes commonplace and the legal issues are sorted, luddites who refuse to use it will be left in the dust.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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post #125
post #9

What about the MS Office key and Emoji key? Those were definitely added after 1994. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/using-the-office-k...

Those aren’t real keys in the sense of having their own keycodes, instead they just map to some other key combination. The Copilot key will presumably be similar (?). These “new keys” are unfortunate, and a regular key that you can remap to whatever you want would be more useful.

This so flagrantly stupid. It's easier to make every KB manufacturer integrate special firmware to have one keypress register as another specific one, rather than plumbing it in as a defined new key that Windows registers a handler for???

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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The responses here feel a little jaded to me. I'm not a fan of the corporate-driven nature of the change, but I do think "could we do something more useful with the menu key?" is a fair question and the answer is almost certainly yes. AI has limitations and yada yada but use cases for the Menu key seem slim, and I'd get more mileage out of an "answer a stupid question where I'm okay with a probability of it being rig…

People are jaded because of MS's history. Some of us didn't realize that they are still forcing OEMs to do nonsense like this.
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