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Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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I get so tilted at the idea of a specific OS vendor having a dedicated keyboard button on all non-apple computers. And now they are doing it again, wild.

I'm not a huge fan it has a Windows logo printed on it, but there are good usability reasons for the key, even on non-Windows systems, and there was just a big hunk of empty space between Ctrl and Alt before. So nothing is really lost for non-Windows users. It seems to me there are more pressing matters to get angry about than the logo on a keyboard.

And whether we like or not not, Windows is the dominant desktop OS, so "OS operations key" having the Windows logo i not entirely nonsensical really. Almost every non-technical person uses Windows, and even within the technical crowd Windows is probably the most common system.

Bit less of a case for the "Copilot key", although it remains to be seen if "becomes mandatory over time" will come to pass.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but does anyone use the menu key? I've never used the menu key. I don't really know what it does (what menu it's supposed to pull up). I object to software vendors dictating unnecessary features in peripherals their software isn't even going to run on.

It's mouse-right click but on the keyboard (context menu). I believe it's an accessibility thing now that I think about it, which might be why MS is saying "maybe" and considering other keys to replace instead - though that's speculation on my part. Also, unless I misunderstood this, this is only being mandated for hardware that ships with Windows on it (Eg, surface or desktops that come with windows installed), so t…

But, but...

Nearly all retail PCs are sold with Windows, even if Windows is blown away immediately and replaced with Linux or something. And while it may not be mandated for 3rd-party keyboards (e.g. logitech), it'll turn up on all of those too.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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> Microsoft is adding a new key to PC keyboards Not to mine. > A quick Microsoft demo video shows the Copilot key in between the cluster of arrow keys and the right Alt button, a place where many keyboards usually put a menu button, a right Ctrl key, another Windows key, or something similar I barely use any of those keys, especially the menu key. Just Microsoft's marketing department doing what they have alwasy done…

looks like it takes the place of the menu key?

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Because everyone loves brand marketing on their keyboards... Microsoft would incur far less wrath if they would stop letting their marketing department run their company.

You’re going to get shocked when you find the Windows key on most keyboards.

Sorry, I assumed the implied word 'more' was obvious to everyone who has used a computer keyboard in the last 30 years.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Translation: Someone at Microsoft is already getting very, very worried about the return on all this investment they've put into generative AI.

I disagree, as I see there's huge momentum to push AI onto edge like "AI PC" initiative

between SW & HW companies

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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post #62
post #18

I get so tilted at the idea of a specific OS vendor having a dedicated keyboard button on all non-apple computers. And now they are doing it again, wild.

I'm not a huge fan it has a Windows logo printed on it, but there are good usability reasons for the key, even on non-Windows systems, and there was just a big hunk of empty space between Ctrl and Alt before. So nothing is really lost for non-Windows users. It seems to me there are more pressing matters to get angry about than the logo on a keyboard. And whether we like or not not, Windows is the dominant desktop OS,…

I knew someone would bring up the utility of the key as a meta-modifier.[0]

Sun keyboards had a diamond to mark that key, which is better to my mind than a third party commercial OS logo.

I wouldn't even mind if it was the keyboard manufacturer logo.

[0]: https://deskthority.net/wiki/File:Suntype7sf.jpg

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Translation: Someone at Microsoft is already getting very, very worried about the return on all this investment they've put into generative AI.

And they have no useful levers to pull, so they invent a useless one and yank it as hard as they can.

We all know exactly what's causing this, and we all know exactly how it'll turn out. How do we collectively tell them to knock it off? The industry needs some mechanism to stage an intervention, perhaps once they've cooled down a little from their present mania.

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