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June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by dralley »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #132
dralley wrote: post #123

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>Legally, no; unless RH is the only copyright holder, they get to follow the same rules as everybody else, and for GPL packages that means not imposing additional restrictions on redistribution of source code. And there aren't any. "RHEL Linux" isn't GPL licensed, the kernel is, and glibc is, and systemd is, etc. Individually. The sources for all of those packages (and ones that aren't GPL licensed, for which there i…

> "RHEL Linux" isn't GPL licensed, the kernel is, and glibc is, and systemd is, etc. Individually. That is why I said "GPL packages", yes. Okay, so if I buy RHEL, and I download the SRPM for the kernel, and I publish it - which I'm legally entitled to do, what with the kernel package being GPLv2 - is RH not going to terminate my RHEL license?

Almost certainly not. I don't think that has even happened with Rocky, for whom they're not just downloading one package.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by Calzifer »

bityard wrote: post #70
behnamoh wrote: post #25

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Does `apt` handle packages as cleanly as `dnf` and `yum`? Last time I tried `apt`, it would uninstall apps without cleaning after itself.

It will not automatically remove dependencies that were installed along with a package when that package is removed. I'm guessing this is due to some historical ideology about how `apt-get` was intended to function. I just typically run `apt remove foobar && apt -y autoremove`. There is also nala, which _does_ automatically remove dependencies when you remove a package: https://github.com/volitank/nala

aptitude also auto removes dependent packages and is in Debian stable.

It has also a useful 'aptitude why package' to say why a package is installed and a nice TUI (which is optional; for the most part it works very similar to apt).

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by michaelt »

dylan604 wrote: post #81
b112 wrote: post #69

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I am always baffled by people using ubuntu because "free". I get the desire if you want the paid stream. EG, an alternative to Redhat or SuSE as a paid stream. But if you're going to use Ubuntu, why put up with the snaps, the commercialism, the app store, when you can just use debian? Every time I hear a reason why, it makes little sense to me. Even though 95% of Ubuntu is Debian, and Ubuntu wouldn't exist without De…

If I'm not running a desktop, why would I consider running Ubuntu at all? I feel the same about people offering a kneejerk suggestion of Ubuntu as when I'm told to use Docker without actually knowing anything about my needs. Just because I'm wanting to use Linux does not mean I need Ubuntu. Just because I'm deploying code doesn't mean Docker is the solution. But 99% of the time I talk to people, it's all Docker this…

There is a certain practicality in running the same thing on the server as on your developers' laptops.

Ubuntu and Debian are pretty similar, and using Debian gets rid of things like snap, which I'm glad to be rid of - but it adds an extra level of "well it works on my machine" which I'm not glad for.

If it's going to be hard to get that special different version of Java to work on the server, it should be hard to get it to work on the desktop too :)

Of course the rise of containers has made a lot of this stuff less relevant.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by 9659 »

geerlingguy wrote: post #27
p_l wrote: post #18

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> already completed their migration from CentOS to RHEL/Fedora/Rocky/Alma/etc during the early part of 2023 ahahahahaha.... OTOH, I no longer work there, I get to watch the fireworks

Heh... I still see CentOS 6 with some regularity.

I wouldn't use the word "regularity", but the pleasure of debugging a long standing issue on a RHEL 5 machine came up in December.

had to compile git and tcpdump from source.

all in all, a pleasant experience. vi is the same.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by bluedino »

op00to wrote: post #65
bluedino wrote: post #56

For better or for worse, this has caused a lot of software vendors to drop RHEL/CentOS support. Many have started to offer Ubuntu support in it's place. Most of them didn't even try to support stream. I'm not sure what the process behind that was. CentOS was free, which is why we used it. Sure, our SAP boxes run RHEL but the other stuff doesn't. We started moving a lot of stuff to Ubuntu as well. Now, Ubuntu is by no…

> this has caused a lot of software vendors to drop RHEL/CentOS support Can you list a few? It's good to keep up to date on how this is changing. Thanks!

Ansys for one

https://www.ansys.com/content/dam/it-solutions/platform-supp...

Veeam doesn't support CentOS stream or 9, there's been a bunch of things here and there. I notice many are moving to Ubuntu. I had to go through all of our vendors last year, and the nice thing about CentOS was almost everyone supported it. Now there's no 'gold standard'.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by mrweasel »

mjw1007 wrote: post #135
mrweasel wrote: post #48

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> if you are running ERP Systems, LOB Apps, or other critical functions that measure their code life in decades That's really what confuses me about the people who use CentOS or Rocky, they want or need the stability of RHEL, so that they can run these crucial applications, that mostly aren't cheap, yet they refuse to pay for the development of the operating system they run it them? I really don't see the point in an…

The theory that Red Hat users are supposed to be paying for development of the system is a recent one. What Red Hat used to say is that the software is free and their users are paying for support. That made a great deal of sense, as of course Red Hat themselves were shipping a great deal of software written by other people without paying for its development. There's nothing confusing about people declining to go alon…

> There's nothing confusing about people declining to go along with this change.

No, but why stay on a platform from a vendor that has a business model you find hostile? I can see the need for a transition period, but I'd start looking for another vendor that has value and pricing that aligns more with my ideals. People seem hellbent on staying on a RHEL-like platform.

Also, CentOS isn't/wasn't exactly new, the current pricing model from Redhat isn't nearly as old as CentOS.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by hinkley »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #101
angry_moose wrote: post #94

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> Additionally, Red Hat support is so bad these days. It almost reminds me of Microsoft Technet forums of the past. Random 'techs' offering copy-paste solutions and the same bad information. Yeah, that's been my experience. We had a bad driver package from them completely hose one of our prod systems. It took 3 days and multiple calls from our CTO to get anyone to seriously look at the issue despite being on the top…

Well that explains a lot. Historically, the basic idea as I understood it was that you could have the software for free (CentOS) and they didn't really mind because they knew they were selling support. If the support is worthless, then they have to try and squeeze money out of the software, which explains their behavior.

Squeezing money out of effectively unsupported software is not sustainable.

Sounds like someone is trying to get their investment back before dumping the whole thing.

Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)

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Post by dclaw »

spapas82 wrote: post #126

This is a very important milestone for us since we have a lot of Centos 7 servers and can't go to RHEL. From my point of view, there are more or less three solutions: a. Go to Debian (or ubuntu server etc); probably the most difficult since everything will be different b. Go to a fresh Almalinux or Rocky 9 installation; also very difficult since there's a lot of stuff to be moved c. Try to use in-place upgrade using…

For what it's worth, we're trying to do a lot of our server upgrades with the Elevate scripting to Almalinux, but man can it be a pain. We have a 30% success rate in testing, and even when it goes right it tends to be 2-3 hours of downtime. The alternative though is to rebuild every server on spare hardware and manually migrate data and configurations over. So it's still a better option once we can figure it out. I'm hoping to get downtime 90% success rate before we start really pushing through these by April.
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