Long live Debian
Does `apt` handle packages as cleanly as `dnf` and `yum`? Last time I tried `apt`, it would uninstall apps without cleaning after itself.
“apt purge” takes no prisoners.
June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)
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Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Acquire competitor, just to shut down competitor" is a pretty gross (and monopolistic) business practice. So that's a relatively crass way of looking at it.
"Not acquire competitor, and have to shut down your own firm" is a more crass decision.
Perhaps if you need to acquire and shutdown your competitors, you should shut down your own firm, or at least pursue a different strategy. Monopolistic business strategies are crass.
Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
My understanding is that since Red Hat restricted the source availability for RHEL, Rocky is using the following loopholes to gain binary compatibility with RHEL: 1. Using OCI images of RHEL (i.e. on Docker Hub) 2. Using cloud server images of RHEL They outlined their plans for this in June of 2023[0]. Red Hat’s official stance is that downstream distros like Rocky or AlmaLinux should be basing off of CentOS Stream —…
I fail to see what separates Alma from CentOS Stream at this point The entire Propose of CentOS was Binary Compatibility with RHEL, largely for Vendor compliance reasons, if a vendor of a commercial software product validated RHEL 7 for their software running CentOS 7 was also supported Running CentOS Stream, or now Alma Linux would not be as their are no longer binary compatible with RHEL. the Hostility of IBM and R…
AFAIK, Alma has committed to continued full RHEL binary compatibility.
Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
My understanding is that since Red Hat restricted the source availability for RHEL, Rocky is using the following loopholes to gain binary compatibility with RHEL: 1. Using OCI images of RHEL (i.e. on Docker Hub) 2. Using cloud server images of RHEL They outlined their plans for this in June of 2023[0]. Red Hat’s official stance is that downstream distros like Rocky or AlmaLinux should be basing off of CentOS Stream —…
I fail to see what separates Alma from CentOS Stream at this point The entire Propose of CentOS was Binary Compatibility with RHEL, largely for Vendor compliance reasons, if a vendor of a commercial software product validated RHEL 7 for their software running CentOS 7 was also supported Running CentOS Stream, or now Alma Linux would not be as their are no longer binary compatible with RHEL. the Hostility of IBM and R…
Our primary difference: a 10-year lifecycle, with a focus on stability.
I'd say that your use case for CentOS might have been vendor compliance, but our user base doesn't agree that's the only use case.
I'd recommend listening to this podcast with Neal Gompa about Red Hat vs IBM at this point:
https://hackaday.com/2023/12/27/floss-weekly-episode-763-fed...
Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)
#35I don't know much about CentOS, but I've seen a lot of anger about the end of CentOS Linux, regardless of CentOS stream, Rocky, etc. . Can someone explain the history of this, why CentOS is going away, why it's being replaced with these new alternatives, and why many seem quite mad about it? Just curious to understand the state of it.
One of the biggest issue is that they pulled the rug on the support window. The last release started out with 10 years of support, but they walked back on that when they announced the end of regular CentOS and reduced it by more than half.
Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Not acquire competitor, and have to shut down your own firm" is a more crass decision.
Perhaps if you need to acquire and shutdown your competitors, you should shut down your own firm, or at least pursue a different strategy. Monopolistic business strategies are crass.
Leave out the "cr" and I agree
Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
My understanding is that since Red Hat restricted the source availability for RHEL, Rocky is using the following loopholes to gain binary compatibility with RHEL: 1. Using OCI images of RHEL (i.e. on Docker Hub) 2. Using cloud server images of RHEL They outlined their plans for this in June of 2023[0]. Red Hat’s official stance is that downstream distros like Rocky or AlmaLinux should be basing off of CentOS Stream —…
I fail to see what separates Alma from CentOS Stream at this point The entire Propose of CentOS was Binary Compatibility with RHEL, largely for Vendor compliance reasons, if a vendor of a commercial software product validated RHEL 7 for their software running CentOS 7 was also supported Running CentOS Stream, or now Alma Linux would not be as their are no longer binary compatible with RHEL. the Hostility of IBM and R…
> I fail to see what separates Alma from CentOS Stream at this point
I believe that AlmaLinux's approach is in-line with Red Hat's vision for downstream OS-es. Rocky's is not.
I think a potential benefit to aligning with Red Hat's approach is that both AlmaLinux and Red Hat will be contributing fixes, improvements, etc. to CentOS Stream -- and any other OS-es that base off of CentOS Stream. And, nothing is preventing AlmaLinux from snapshotting their own stable releases -- which allows the AlmaLinux team to test and release stable releases to their users.
> the Hostility of IBM and Redhat here has lead me to transition 100% of the CentOS Server I managed to Ubuntu
I completely agree with this perspective. This is why Rocky's decisions really baffle me: why use an upstream OS like RHEL if you absolutely do not align with its objectives? I feel like it would have made much more sense for Rocky to make Fedora their upstream instead of implementing workarounds to copy RHEL.
> I will never use RHEL or RHEL based distribution again at this point so I really do not care about the future of Alma or Rocky either
I also do not use any Fedora based distribution (typically just running NixOS or Ubuntu), however, I find that I do care about these shifts because Red Hat has tremendous impact on the trajectory of most Linux distributions. And the downstream OS-es' responses have been interesting to observe to me. :)
Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)
#38Does it also mark the end of IBM's RedHat as the OpenELA assumes the authoritative role?
That's likely the best possible outcome.
Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)
#39Long live Debian
Does `apt` handle packages as cleanly as `dnf` and `yum`? Last time I tried `apt`, it would uninstall apps without cleaning after itself.
Do you remember which package, or if it was an official Debian package vs third-party? The former is usually pretty well written.
Do you have a use-case where packages are regularly uninstalled? I usually only install.
Re: June 30th, 2024, will bring the End of Life (EOL) of CentOS Linux (2023)
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Acquire competitor, just to shut down competitor" is a pretty gross (and monopolistic) business practice. So that's a relatively crass way of looking at it.
"Not acquire competitor, and have to shut down your own firm" is a more crass decision.
RH did great financially for many years while CentOS was around; do you have some reason to claim that it was an existential threat?