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Re: Ask HN: What to do with text from old, unarchived, online forums?

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A quick google search reveals that laptops and smartphones didnt exist back then.

What does that have to do with anything? Disk drives did exist.

They did but were rather small and unreliable - for instance around 300-500 MB and could easily die. People printed stuff for the same reason books exist - storage and mobility, neither of which were easily available. I used to print source code just to review in silence. Might print backup emails to ensure durability.

Re: Ask HN: What to do with text from old, unarchived, online forums?

#32
post #12

A question from someone a bit younger: What was the purpose of printing out online discussions? Was it to read them while not at the computer? Was it to physically archive them?

I remember printing out walkthroughs, cheat codes, game weapon/monster descriptions and level editor tutorials from the one dialup-internet connected computer in the house to be able to use them at the not-internet-connected gaming computer upstairs

Sometimes I'd also bring it along as reading material in a car ride etc...

There were also some games that didn't cope well with switching between fullscreen and desktop, so printed material helped there too!

Re: Ask HN: What to do with text from old, unarchived, online forums?

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does that have to do with anything? Disk drives did exist.

> Disk drives did exist. They did, but FWIW, they were very small and fairly expensive compared to contemporary times. The attitude towards using disk space was a bit different back then, because it was a much scarcer and more valuable resource.

Furthermore, there was probably more of a reflexive printing things out at that point which took a long time to break. I certainly downloaded BBS and Usenet forums to read offline on my computer but a lot of us printed a lot of stuff out on a daily basis. It still boggles my mind a bit when people say they don’t have a printer at home because there’s a lot of info like trip itineraries I want in hardcopy.

Re: Ask HN: What to do with text from old, unarchived, online forums?

#35
post #15

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It took time to access the information. You had to turn on your modem and connect to the internet (took a while). Then you had to load up the information (took a while). Then there was the lack of good search engines, so you were worried you'd never find the information again. And most importantly, you couldn't pull up this information while out and about (there was no 3g/4g/5g).

Ok, but why print it out instead of saving it locally? (Other than to read it on the go? Did people do that?)

Other folks have mentioned several other reasons, I'll just mention screen tech. My first monitor (bought in '93) was a 640x480 pixel 13" CRT screen. (And that was expensive - the Mac Classic had 512 × 342 mono, pretty comparable to the Apple Watch.)

Doing a lot of reading on that was rough on the eyes and you were scrolling constantly. I printed a lot back then.

Re: Ask HN: What to do with text from old, unarchived, online forums?

#36
post #22

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A quick google search reveals that laptops and smartphones didnt exist back then.

? Saving locally to a desktop computer surely existed back then, I even did it myself sometimes.

But then you have to be seated at that desktop computer to read it

Re: Ask HN: What to do with text from old, unarchived, online forums?

#37
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It took time to access the information. You had to turn on your modem and connect to the internet (took a while). Then you had to load up the information (took a while). Then there was the lack of good search engines, so you were worried you'd never find the information again. And most importantly, you couldn't pull up this information while out and about (there was no 3g/4g/5g).

Ok, but why print it out instead of saving it locally? (Other than to read it on the go? Did people do that?)

I do wonder about the relative cost of paper to digital storage mediums of the time. It could be that would have something to do with it.

Take for example the fact that (testing with a 150kb block of lorem ipsum text) you could easily squeeze the text capacity of a 3.5mm floppy into around 20 pages of physical text. 10 sheets of double-side printed paper and some ink might well have been cheaper than the floppy it would be intended to replace.

Unfortunately I was unable to find any good resources on the cost-per-page of printing back in the day. So I can't really put hard numbers to this. Printing is incredibly cheap now (for text at least, printing photos uses so much ink) and I can't imagine it was all that more expensive back when most work people did still relied on printing off documents and hand signing them. (physical bill printing, checks, physical contract signing, etc.)

Of course this is all speculation on my part, I was too young to care about money and how much things cost back when the my household had floppy disks and printed things off regularly. If someone has a better memory of the time I would really be interested to hear from someone who did pay attention to those things.

Re: Ask HN: What to do with text from old, unarchived, online forums?

#38
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It took time to access the information. You had to turn on your modem and connect to the internet (took a while). Then you had to load up the information (took a while). Then there was the lack of good search engines, so you were worried you'd never find the information again. And most importantly, you couldn't pull up this information while out and about (there was no 3g/4g/5g).

Ok, but why print it out instead of saving it locally? (Other than to read it on the go? Did people do that?)

I printed out guitar tabs, source code, tech notes, jokes, etc so I could look at them in my room at my leisure. The family computer was in the office/computer room and was used by 3 or 4 people. If my sister was doing her homework, that took priority over reading 100 Jeff Foxworthy jokes.

Re: Ask HN: What to do with text from old, unarchived, online forums?

#39
post #12

A question from someone a bit younger: What was the purpose of printing out online discussions? Was it to read them while not at the computer? Was it to physically archive them?

It took time to access the information. You had to turn on your modem and connect to the internet (took a while). Then you had to load up the information (took a while). Then there was the lack of good search engines, so you were worried you'd never find the information again. And most importantly, you couldn't pull up this information while out and about (there was no 3g/4g/5g).

"Lack of good search engines" could also once again be said about the current state of SEO hijacking. There was a good 10 year period (I guess around 2000-2010 give or take) where you could truly find useful stuff via search.

Today is garbage. Best to use site search on individual known websites.

Re: Ask HN: What to do with text from old, unarchived, online forums?

#40
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It took time to access the information. You had to turn on your modem and connect to the internet (took a while). Then you had to load up the information (took a while). Then there was the lack of good search engines, so you were worried you'd never find the information again. And most importantly, you couldn't pull up this information while out and about (there was no 3g/4g/5g).

Ok, but why print it out instead of saving it locally? (Other than to read it on the go? Did people do that?)

Very often you could be using a 'fast' internet connection (T1 at school, library), and you could easily download an entire floppy disk in a minute or two. And it was unlikely you had a CD-RW drive (maaaybe a Zip disk), so it'd be hard to take it home and you wouldn't be able to save it locally.

Heck, even if you could save it locally, you might have only had a 500MB hard drive, it seems weird now because with TB drives, unless you are saving games/media, you have almost unlimited storage.

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