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Re: Ask HN: What to do with text from old, unarchived, online forums?

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Did we have web forums back then? I know Usenet was a thing.

"Web" in the strict sense? Not really, as the "World Wide Web" wasn't invented until ~1990, and the protocol and software weren't made public until 1993[1]. So there weren't a lot of HTTP/HTML based "web" sites between 1991-1994, and probably even fewer "forum" type sites.

BUT... in a more colloquial sense of how "web" might be used retrospectively, as sort of a loose synonym for "online", then absolutely. Going back well into the 1980's, and then into the 1990's, we had all sorts of online services, including discussion forums. There were the big services like Compuserve, The Well, AOL, Delphi, GEnie, Prodigy, etc. And then there were individual small dial-up BBS's[2] by the bushel-load.

At their peak there were many thousands of them in the US alone. There were entire magazines printed and distributed that were effectively nothing but lists of dial-up numbers for BBS's, and magazines like Computer Shopper had big sections dedicated to listing those as well.

And then there was, as you mention, Usenet.

So yeah, even back in 1991, there were plenty of forums that might not have strictly been part of "the web", but that someone in contemporary times might casually describe as a "web forum".

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletin_board_system

Re: Ask HN: What to do with text from old, unarchived, online forums?

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post #12

A question from someone a bit younger: What was the purpose of printing out online discussions? Was it to read them while not at the computer? Was it to physically archive them?

It took time to access the information. You had to turn on your modem and connect to the internet (took a while). Then you had to load up the information (took a while). Then there was the lack of good search engines, so you were worried you'd never find the information again. And most importantly, you couldn't pull up this information while out and about (there was no 3g/4g/5g).

Re: Ask HN: What to do with text from old, unarchived, online forums?

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post #12

A question from someone a bit younger: What was the purpose of printing out online discussions? Was it to read them while not at the computer? Was it to physically archive them?

It took time to access the information. You had to turn on your modem and connect to the internet (took a while). Then you had to load up the information (took a while). Then there was the lack of good search engines, so you were worried you'd never find the information again. And most importantly, you couldn't pull up this information while out and about (there was no 3g/4g/5g).

Ok, but why print it out instead of saving it locally? (Other than to read it on the go? Did people do that?)

Re: Ask HN: What to do with text from old, unarchived, online forums?

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It took time to access the information. You had to turn on your modem and connect to the internet (took a while). Then you had to load up the information (took a while). Then there was the lack of good search engines, so you were worried you'd never find the information again. And most importantly, you couldn't pull up this information while out and about (there was no 3g/4g/5g).

Ok, but why print it out instead of saving it locally? (Other than to read it on the go? Did people do that?)

A quick google search reveals that laptops and smartphones didnt exist back then.

Re: Ask HN: What to do with text from old, unarchived, online forums?

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post #2

Did we have web forums back then? I know Usenet was a thing.

I have a few copy/paste text files from AOL forums from the 90s, of which sadly the other 99.99% was lost unless AOL (or the clients to whom they subcontracted maintenance of forums at individual keywords) still has them on a tape drive somewhere.

AOL has changed hands so many times since then. I highly doubt they have copies of much.

I grew up on AOL 2.5 and the hacking/warez scene there. So many good times with 1IM punters, cchats, scrolling, and phishing OH and INT accounts.

Re: Ask HN: What to do with text from old, unarchived, online forums?

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post #12

A question from someone a bit younger: What was the purpose of printing out online discussions? Was it to read them while not at the computer? Was it to physically archive them?

>A question from someone a bit younger:

I mean.... likely more than "a bit" younger :)

1. Computer not always available. A lot of the time it could be a "Family Computer". Not "Personal Computer".

2. There were far more detailed discussions than today, but computer are not portable so you want to read it may be while you are in bed.

3. Access information has a cost. Not only does it take time on a dial up modem. Transfer ( In terms of Data / bytes ) isn't free and depending on settings / locations / plan you could be paying for it per visit.

That is from someone who used to print a lot of internet out in university.

Re: Ask HN: What to do with text from old, unarchived, online forums?

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post #12

A question from someone a bit younger: What was the purpose of printing out online discussions? Was it to read them while not at the computer? Was it to physically archive them?

You have to remember that there was a time when phone lines and internet connections shared resources. Also, the internet wasn't nearly as fast as it is now, even a decade ago, so printing meant you had that copy locally without needing to wait for load times.

I have a couple of GameFAQs discussions and cheat lists for various PS2/GameCube games from the early 2000s. They're stowed in a folder because it was a hassle to run between the family room and my bedroom when referencing.

Also, for the longest time, a household shared a single computer. So printing off the pages meant I didn't need to compete between family members for computer use.

Edit: A friend just reminded me of navigating in the passenger seat with a stack of Mapquest prints.

Edit-2: If anyone wants to relive this in the modern world, print to PDF blog posts, news articles, etc., and store them on your Kindle (or equivalent). You'll notice you'll comprehend the article way better than on your phone or laptop.

Re: Ask HN: What to do with text from old, unarchived, online forums?

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, but why print it out instead of saving it locally? (Other than to read it on the go? Did people do that?)

A quick google search reveals that laptops and smartphones didnt exist back then.

What does that have to do with anything? Disk drives did exist.
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