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Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

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Re: Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

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The FDA isn't "toothless"...

Toothless? How about clueless then? Or better, favors Big Inc profits over public health. Call it what you want, but the FDA is too often a paper tiger.

Only someone who has never worked under the FDAs eye of Sauron could think this, strong Dunning-Kruger vibe.

Re: Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

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Isn't there also limited to no evidence of harms from these in humans?

Assume it's bad until proven otherwise.

Thought experiment: How would you go about proving that water is not bad?

Re: Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

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>Consumer Reports said none of the phthalate levels it found exceeded limits set by U.S. and European regulators. I'm totally fine with this. Maybe the FDA is toothless, I don't know, but EFSA do not kid around.

The highest amount in their list was 54 micrograms per serving. Most of them were under 5 µg. They seem to have just bundled everything together instead of listing specific amounts of specific chemicals, and chose to put the numbers in "nanograms per serving" to make them look as big as possible.

I tried to look up the regulations, but whatever the value of EU regulations may be, readability and simplicity are not their strong points. Picking on DEHP because it's one CR mentions, I found these secondhand references:

* https://www.foodpackagingforum.org/news/16th-amendment-to-eu... * https://www.foodpackagingforum.org/news/efsa-updated-risk-as...

The first says that the "specific migration limit" for DEHP had been lowered to 0.6 mg/kg. I assume that's the amount that ends up in the product. The second refers to Tolerable Daily Intake based on body weight, of 50 µg/kg.

So we're talking about, in one measure, the limit being 600000 nanograms in a kilogram of food. The serving size of Annie's Original Organic Cheesy Ravioli is 242g. So the allowable amount of DEHP in that serving would be 2,479,338 nanograms. They found 53,579, or around 2% of the acceptable amount.

Looking at it from TDI, Wikipedia gives a low bound on the average adult body weight of 60 kg. That's 3,000,000 nanograms, which brings it down to 1.8%.

Consumer Reports has not been a reputable publication for many years, and they continue to trade on their name as many Americans at least have it in their head that CR is some kind of unbiased arbiter of quantitative information about what's good or not. What they actually do is clickbait to sell subscriptions. This became clear to me when I realized that any time they write about a product category I have a lot of experience with, their recommendations make no sense. Thinking that they actually provide useful information but only about the things I don't have the ability to fact-check them on is a form of the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect.

Re: Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't there also limited to no evidence of harms from these in humans?

Assume it's bad until proven otherwise.

You can't prove safe, you can only prove "no harms we know of yet."

Re: Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assume it's bad until proven otherwise.

Thought experiment: How would you go about proving that water is not bad?

Put a human in a beef jerky dehydrator for a few days?

Re: Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

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What is the problem with these "plastics"?

Are there places where eating plastics is considered a normal food or food additive?

Plastic pens

Plastic straws

Plastic Lilly sticks

Plastic tie-wraps

Basically anything that someone might chew on!

Although, licorice roots are okay to chew on... I guess. :-)

Re: Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

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This is the canary of plastic pollution similar to we knew about global warming in '70s. We know it's only going to get worse, but we're happy to ignore it until it gets really bad.

These plastics are going to follow tobacco and alcohol. First, don't worry about it... Then, some is ok... Wait! Less than some is ok... Wait again!! Next to nothing is ok... Fuck!!! Avoid this shit at all costs.

> These plastics are going to follow tobacco and alcohol.

No. Demographics can show you with extremely small error bars the aggregate health effects of smoking and (heavy) drinking. If there was an effect of that magnitude from other variables, we'd know for sure. Microplastics and pthalates and other related contaminants are real, and deserve study. But let's not get ahead of ourselves with the doomerism.

We surely don't know the whole story, but we know pretty well that the effect is less than smoking/obesity/etc. because it would be there in the data if so.

Re: Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assume it's bad until proven otherwise.

You can't prove safe, you can only prove "no harms we know of yet."

You can require companies to do at least some due dilligence, though, to give a reasonable amount of comfort it is. "It's safe" is a falsifiable claim.

Re: Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

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Note that they seem to only appear in processed food. That's kind of OK of you cook yourself apparently.

Unless you eat anything pork. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPbF45-ZB5M

That video of pigs being fed plastic it is in a facility in North Carolina, USA, run by Smithfield Foods, a Chinese-owned entity, the largest pork producer in the United States.

I have searched for to know what happened with that facility, but the only article that I've been able to find, and that it is showed as first result in the search engine, is from fayobserver[1], labeled as USA Today Network, saying a "do not worry".

Legal or not, it's an outrage. Did the FDA allowed this in the end?

From their web[2] >

[1] https://fayobserver.com/story/news/2022/05/05/nc-pig-feed-pl...

[2] www smithfieldfoods com

Re: Consumer Reports finds 'widespread' presence of plastics in food

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These plastics are going to follow tobacco and alcohol. First, don't worry about it... Then, some is ok... Wait! Less than some is ok... Wait again!! Next to nothing is ok... Fuck!!! Avoid this shit at all costs.

> These plastics are going to follow tobacco and alcohol. No. Demographics can show you with extremely small error bars the aggregate health effects of smoking and (heavy) drinking. If there was an effect of that magnitude from other variables, we'd know for sure. Microplastics and pthalates and other related contaminants are real, and deserve study. But let's not get ahead of ourselves with the doomerism. We surely…

That's like step #2 from above.
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