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Doesn’t the government generally have the power to assess a fine large enough to bankrupt a company?
As long as Chapter 11 is ok for mass murder.
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SpaceX is suing to bust up federal union protections
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Corporations are a complete legal fabrication that only exist because they are constitutionally protected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juridical_person So it's a bit of a non-sequitur to say they should not have any constitutional protections. So while I agree they should not have the same level of individual rights as people, corporations are already allowed to sign checks and enter contracts own things and be sue…
Corporations pre-date the Constitution, and exist in many countries without a constitution, so they do not exist because of "constitutional protections." Corporations are legal constructs. They are not entitled to any legal protections beyond what the governing jurisdictions decides as a matter of regular law, and they are certainly not entitled to Constitutional protections of their own. In the U.S., Constitutions d…
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#43> It claims the NLRB’s proceedings, which involve a hearing in front of an NLRB administrative law judge (ALJ), violate SpaceX’s “constitutional right to trial by jury.” The company also accuses NLRB of violating the Constitution’s rules on the separation of powers, stating the agency’s structure “is miles away from the traditional understanding” of the concept. This is the same argument going against the FTC, SEC, a…
As I understand it, SpaceX has the right to appeal the NLRB ruling in front of a real court if the hearing goes against them. So one can argue that they haven't lost the right to a real court. It's vaguely similar to a traffic ticket, which doesn't go through a full court unless appealed.
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Unions are cancer. This isn't the late 19th century anymore. Unions do very little but enrich themselves and exert political power.
The United Auto Workers union just a month ago won a 33% raise for GM workers and a 30% raise for Ford workers. Unifor just won a 25% raise for Stellantis workers 2 months ago. Just 2 months ago the Writers Union just won raises to compensation, health benefits, pensions, and protections against AI. Just a few weeks ago SAG-AFTRA reached a tentative deal to secure compensation increases, benefits, improvements to roy…
Yes, however you're not thinking of the bigger picture here. How are the executives and the shareholders supposed to afford their next superyacht if they're forced to pay their underlings more!?!
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The United Auto Workers union just a month ago won a 33% raise for GM workers and a 30% raise for Ford workers. Unifor just won a 25% raise for Stellantis workers 2 months ago. Just 2 months ago the Writers Union just won raises to compensation, health benefits, pensions, and protections against AI. Just a few weeks ago SAG-AFTRA reached a tentative deal to secure compensation increases, benefits, improvements to roy…
Yes, however you're not thinking of the bigger picture here. How are the executives and the shareholders supposed to afford their next superyacht if they're forced to pay their underlings more!?!
Absolutely, people do not want to share.
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Unions are cancer. This isn't the late 19th century anymore. Unions do very little but enrich themselves and exert political power.
Sounds like those Walmart propaganda training videos got to you. I suggest doing your research on what unions are doing in the 21st century to protect employees.
Their attempt at being an edgelord.
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Given the current make up of the Supreme Court (particularly Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, IIRC), this hail-Mary isn't necessarily that low probability. Several justices don't like administrative courts being the law-maker, judge, jury, executioner, and tax collector. I think one's attitude toward this case (independent of Musk / SpaceX) comes down to how much you value separation of powers as a check on government vs conso…
Right, but it would take a lot of steps for it to even make it to the Supreme Court in the first case. As it is this has a huge chance of being instantly dismissed. > consolidation of government power as a check on the power of corporations This might be a good way of putting it. But I personally grew up in an ex-soviet country so my experience is that I am way more afraid of governments than corporations. If you thi…
We rarely see unchecked corporations. Even "checked" corporations do some fairly heinous things.
I would say both unchecked corporations and governments are so far into "bad" territory it doesn't matter how bad, both must be prevented from happening.
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#49Meanwhile, Musk is getting shellacked by Nordic Europe due to his tome-deaf and, frankly, incompetent attempts to bust the strongest and most successful trade unions in the world... https://www.politico.eu/article/elon-musk-x-pace-x-faces-new...
I wouldn't say shellacked, only a few dozen mechanics out of the 130 or so are striking, while the article implies all Tesla workers are striking. So few are striking that the union refuses to reveal the number, and recently expelled members for not striking.
Tesla has found workarounds to most of the sympathy strikes and sold even more cars in Sweden in Nov to Dec 2023 compared to 2022. Not sure how that's incompetent.
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Unions are cancer. This isn't the late 19th century anymore. Unions do very little but enrich themselves and exert political power.
> This isn't the late 19th century anymore. Nope, it's the early 21st century, and inequality in this country is higher than it's been since the Gilded Age. Not exactly a comparison we should want to be making. And the trajectory is still moving primarily in the wrong direction.
How does this help reduce inequality?
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edmi/pr/former-international-ua...