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SpaceX is suing to bust up federal union protections

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Re: SpaceX is suing to bust up federal union protections

#11

Just when you think there's no end to Musk's dip-shittery, he goes and dives head first into a pile of nonsense and butt-hurtedness.

Unions are cancer. This isn't the late 19th century anymore. Unions do very little but enrich themselves and exert political power.

Sounds like those Walmart propaganda training videos got to you. I suggest doing your research on what unions are doing in the 21st century to protect employees.

Re: SpaceX is suing to bust up federal union protections

#12

> It claims the NLRB’s proceedings, which involve a hearing in front of an NLRB administrative law judge (ALJ), violate SpaceX’s “constitutional right to trial by jury.” The company also accuses NLRB of violating the Constitution’s rules on the separation of powers, stating the agency’s structure “is miles away from the traditional understanding” of the concept. This is the same argument going against the FTC, SEC, a…

Feels like it's really just an attempt to drag out the proceedings further so that any labor law dispute turns into 8 years worth of trials and appeals and is ineffective at remedying problems

Re: SpaceX is suing to bust up federal union protections

#13

Just when you think there's no end to Musk's dip-shittery, he goes and dives head first into a pile of nonsense and butt-hurtedness.

Unions are cancer. This isn't the late 19th century anymore. Unions do very little but enrich themselves and exert political power.

> This isn't the late 19th century anymore.

Nope, it's the early 21st century, and inequality in this country is higher than it's been since the Gilded Age. Not exactly a comparison we should want to be making. And the trajectory is still moving primarily in the wrong direction.

Re: SpaceX is suing to bust up federal union protections

#14
post #7

It's not clear to me why the open letter authors are protected under the NRLB at all. They seemed to be criticizing the boss, which is not illegal, but not really a labor action either?

How is collectively criticizing your boss and requesting a better work environment not a labor action?

Re: SpaceX is suing to bust up federal union protections

#15

Title is misleading. Has nothing to do with union protections. Sounds like a strong case. Why should companies be forced to employ people who actively work to harm the reputation of said company?

> Why should companies be forced to employ people who actively work to harm the reputation of said company?

The irony being that the content of the letter is in regards to Elon Musk's work to actively harm the reputation of said company. By this token, why should employees be forced to work under petulant, capricious, myopic executives who undermine the efforts of the people with boots on the ground who do all the actual work?

Re: SpaceX is suing to bust up federal union protections

#16

Title is misleading. Has nothing to do with union protections. Sounds like a strong case. Why should companies be forced to employ people who actively work to harm the reputation of said company?

Because unlike what “Fountainhead” by Ayn Rand says, checks and balances on positions of power is usually a socially good thing.

Re: SpaceX is suing to bust up federal union protections

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unions are cancer. This isn't the late 19th century anymore. Unions do very little but enrich themselves and exert political power.

I'll happily get rid of unions once we also get rid of corporations ruled by wannabe-dictators. Until then, unions are a necessary counterbalancing force to keep executive behavior in check.

Exactly. And, just like governments, they themselves need checks and balances more than anything. However groups of people organizing for collective power is difficult to argue with, imo.

Re: SpaceX is suing to bust up federal union protections

#18

Title is misleading. Has nothing to do with union protections. Sounds like a strong case. Why should companies be forced to employ people who actively work to harm the reputation of said company?

> Has nothing to do with union protections.

Preventing employer retaliation for discussing the conditions of employment are a pretty significant part of the protections around unions. An open letter discussing the conduct of the CEO falls under discussion of the conditions of employment.

There are limits to what companies can do to try and prevent unions from forming. SpaceX is claiming that those restrictions and the way in which they're enforced by the NLRB are unconstitutional. Seems pretty fair to characterize that as something which would bust up some federal union protections.

Re: SpaceX is suing to bust up federal union protections

#19

Title is misleading. Has nothing to do with union protections. Sounds like a strong case. Why should companies be forced to employ people who actively work to harm the reputation of said company?

You're right about the outcome SpaceX is seeking. But the critical thing you're missing is the argument they are making against NLRB. The legal arguments aren't really about the specific facts of the case but, rather, about constitutional issues that go to the heart of how NLRB adjudicates labor disputes. From the article:

> It claims the NLRB’s proceedings, which involve a hearing in front of an NLRB administrative law judge (ALJ), violate SpaceX’s “constitutional right to trial by jury.” The company also accuses NLRB of violating the Constitution’s rules on the separation of powers, stating the agency’s structure “is miles away from the traditional understanding” of the concept.

Re: SpaceX is suing to bust up federal union protections

#20
post #7

It's not clear to me why the open letter authors are protected under the NRLB at all. They seemed to be criticizing the boss, which is not illegal, but not really a labor action either?

There was a list of demands of the executives. But yeah, there was no call for a labor action. If anything, they were demanding the company take more drastic steps to start removing employees for bad behavior.
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