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Did I destroy my friend's TV with a magnet? (2022)

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Re: Did I destroy my friend's TV with a magnet? (2022)

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I permanently damaged my family’s tv with a car loud speaker I was playing with as kid. It left a big blemish, colored shadow shape and since we were kinda poor (didn’t know at the time), we lived with it for ages… oh the guilt!

Was fun to understand the election beam was being deflected a magnetic field at the time tho

Re: Did I destroy my friend's TV with a magnet? (2022)

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A magnet will bend the electron beams, but that isn’t permanent. A permanent color change made by a magnet only happens by imposing a magnetic field on a metallic component of the monitor, so that the beam is always deflected by it. One component not shown in that diagram is the shadow mask, which divides the screen into discrete dots to be activated by the electron beams. This is a very thin piece of metal (or a gri…

I can't believe the author skipped this part. I felt terrible unsatisfied with the article. Thank you!

You’re welcome

Re: Did I destroy my friend's TV with a magnet? (2022)

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Correct, the field of the Earth is weak and won’t mess up the image on the TV.

Incorrect. The earth's magnetic field definitely affects Cathode Ray Tubes and many other things. High end CRT computer monitors came with a built in degaussing system and some had controls for aligning the R,G & B electron beams. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degaussing https://hackaday.com/2016/05/25/wtf-is-degaussing/ From personal experience, I took a 20" Sony Trinitron from Los Angeles to New Zealand in the mid…

This is simply not true. If it were, then a monitor at the equator would be ruined merely by rotating it to face east instead of west, or north instead of south. They would have needed to sell four different monitors, to accommodate customers who were going to face their monitors in different directions. Even away from the equator most of the magnetic field points north/south rather than into or away from the Earth. More likely vibration during shipping defocused your monitor somewhat; a TV–repair shop probably could have fixed it.

Re: Did I destroy my friend's TV with a magnet? (2022)

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When I was a kid in the mid 80's we had a ball lightning incident.

Some family was over visiting and the adults were sitting in the adjoining dining room with us kids in the living room by the TV.

Lightning struck somewhere close by and a tennis sized ball of electricity entered the dining room through the outside wall. It crossed the room in about a second, went through the wall to enter the living room and then accelerated towards the TV.

When it hit the TV box the TV went out and the house lights flickered for a bit, but everything seemed fine. We turned the TV back on and it had a big purple corner which the degauss function couldn't fix.

Overall it probably lasted about a week before the effect faded enough that it was no longer visible.

Re: Did I destroy my friend's TV with a magnet? (2022)

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> There are many CRTs in your TV or monitor. They are each aimed to deliver electrons to a precise spot on the back of your TV where they excite the phospor in the tiny spot on your TV that the electron hits. Magnets are used to guide the electrons to that precise (and tiny) spot. The excited phosphor molecules at that spot then emit light. All the CRTs working together generate the picture on your TV.

That's incorrect: there aren't many CRTs in a TV or monitor. There's just one in monochrome displays or three in color displays. That paragraph even seems to imply that there is one CRT per dot. I don't think you would even need magnets to guide electrons (much less one set of magnets for all the CRTs): just aim each CRT at the correct location. Seems a weird misconception from someone who calls themselves a physicist.

Re: Did I destroy my friend's TV with a magnet? (2022)

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There's a throwaway comment in here about the earth's magnetic field affecting CRTs and turning the TV upside down, is that actually true? I would have thought the earth's magnetic field would be incredibly weak in comparison to the deflecting coils.

I've had TVs move room to room and face a different direction and need to be fixed with a degaussing coil. I'm told it's from the Earth's magnetic field. Could also be that they were next to other TVs (arcade machines in this case).

If i had to guess, i bet it's the other machines nearby. I'm sure we've all felt the static from a crt screen when it's turned off. Being in a closed room of turned on crt's would probably create a significant field of potentials around the room. I can't imagine the earth's magnetic field is so erratic as to change noticeably from room to room. I'd think any variation of that order would disrupt the functioning of compasses, and the phenomena couldn't just be localized to your one room on earth, compasses would be somewhat unreliable all over the globe then.

But who knows, maybe a solar flair hit you between rooms and changed the environment enough to disrupt the tv, but then i'd bet it'd effect all the machines. Eh, who knows. Weird thing that electromagnetism

Re: Did I destroy my friend's TV with a magnet? (2022)

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All quality CRT TVs are automatically de-gaussed on switch-on. That's the 'toooong' you hear when they turn on. A magnet might temporarily mess up the magnetic convergence with magnetised spot areas, but that should be fixed on next switch-on. The Earth’s magnetic field can also affect the picture That's because when the convergence controls are set correctly, they also take care of the magnetic field of the earth to…

I tried this with a really big speaker magnet on the family TV as child and found that it persisted after switching it off and on.

My dad (at the time a technician maintaining TV transmitters) finally fixed it by power cycling it a few dozen times.

He told me that if he hadn't known how it works I'd have had the hiding of my life...

Re: Did I destroy my friend's TV with a magnet? (2022)

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> There are many CRTs in your TV or monitor. They are each aimed to deliver electrons to a precise spot on the back of your TV where they excite the phospor in the tiny spot on your TV that the electron hits. Magnets are used to guide the electrons to that precise (and tiny) spot. The excited phosphor molecules at that spot then emit light. All the CRTs working together generate the picture on your TV. That's incorre…

The author did not seem to be concerned with the facts or explaining how CRTs actually work :(

Re: Did I destroy my friend's TV with a magnet? (2022)

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There's a throwaway comment in here about the earth's magnetic field affecting CRTs and turning the TV upside down, is that actually true? I would have thought the earth's magnetic field would be incredibly weak in comparison to the deflecting coils.

Rotation can affect image purity. You don't even have to turn the set upside down. If you have a set that already has some color purity issues due to bad magnetism of the mask, you can affect that (and sometimes even find a position that eliminates it) simply by rotating the TV around on the surface it rests on.

Re: Did I destroy my friend's TV with a magnet? (2022)

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I just sent an email to my old high school buddy. I'm sure this is incorrect, and I've asked him for his remembrance of something we did on a lark. One night David Letterman did an episode where throughout the show, the camera(s) did a full 360 degree revolution. When the show was half-way through, it was of course, upside down. So we turned the television upside down. I personally don't remember anything unusual abo…

People frequently rotate CRTs for arcade games. They're fine.

They most likely also degauss the tube while in the vertical orientation.
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